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Well Hate to break it to you but Nintendo doesn't have anything to clean up they are practically untouchable they are right on top now this is a fact so your referring to someone els cause Nintendo is not doing anything wrong. You need to get your today's facts in order Nintendo s Wii doesn't have that good of graphics but it makes up for that in the game play which don't show on any other systems and plus its twice as fun then the 360 or PS3 But that's my opinion

yes your opinion.
they may have sold out on the wii at the moment but they've got to step it up,

let me rephrase myself, they do normally release two versions of their best selling games per console and thats just a fact. like Zelda, Mario and metroid. but a few good games won't cut it over a five year period( and thats exactly what they do, sparse their best selling games over their consoles life cycle until it runs out then they repeat the same thing on the next console, they did it with the N64, they did it with the gamecube, and they'll do it with the wii.)

and Nintendo may not be doing many things wrong but sure as heck aren't doing everything right.
like giving more freedom to third party developers to make more diverse video games( like resident evil 4 for example it was an exclusive for the gamecube and they made alot of money with it).
than the generic mini games they keep shelling out to retailers.(some of them are fun I admit, but is that the only type of game they can produce, of course not, the wii has alot of potential, but Nintendo is the only one holding it back from being the best console out there)

The wii may be the most innovative console out at the moment but its nothing more than a gimmick that will run out quick without some good thinking on Nintendo's part.

now I do give credit for Nintendo staying mostly a family friendly console. that is one thing they have always adhered to, is that their console is accessible for anyone.

Well Yes I do agree now They make Mario and sonic at the Olympic games but their is no story line no main part its just mini games and that was disappointing so yes they do need to push the Wii more harder Metroid made full use of the wii mote but their arnt that many games like that.

Actually, it's an opinion. And an ignorant opinion at that.

Exactly how many franchises on the N64 got two versions of the same franchise? The only three I can think of are Mario Party (which was made for a yearly release), Banjo-Kazooie, and The Legend of Zelda (using a unique gameplay idea).

How many new franchises came out of Nintendo's tent in those years? Let's see, Wave Race 64, Goldeneye 007, 1080 Snowboarding, Mario Tennis (precurser to all the Mario Sports), Mario Party, Banjo-Kazooie, Conker, and Super Smash Bros..

Set against the background of Nintendo reinventing gaming for 3D and Nintendo and its 2nd parties bringing several huge new franchises into being and you, arguably, the greatest individual effort from a console manufacturer outside of Nintendo's own efforts in the NES era.

Gamecube you might be able to make a case for, but that was a console that was pretty much abandoned early to focus on the Wii.

With the Wii, what are the pillars of the console? Wii Sports is a cultural phenomenon. Wii Play might well end up to be the best-selling game of all-time (yeah, I know it's because of the controller along with it). Wii Fit has the hallmarks of being another mega-smash.

Sure Nintendo's giving us fanbait with Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3, but it's certainly not what's carrying the Wii to the top.



Nintendo's giving 3rd party developers pretty much all the leeway they want. I've seen little evidence of censoring on Nintendo's part this time around. If you can avoid an Adult rating, you're gold (see Manhunt 2 and several violent PS2/XBox ports). Matter of fact, people are complaining that Nintendo's become TOO lenient because there's so much shovelware on the console littering the shelves.

It's the 3rd parties themselves that aren't stepping up to the plate. They don't know how to handle the Wii and, with only a few exceptions like No More Heroes, uniformly failing.

well unlike some people on this site I can realize when I've been blown out of the water, you have valid points all around, and I can see the facts are in order, indeed most of what I've said was my own opinion on the matter, and if my views were skewed, then I can see where they were wrong and correct them.
although I still stand by what I've said about wanting Nintendo to try to do something to be the biggest videogame company out there.
I like Nintendo, I have for years and wanting them to keep being a great company and not fall to just being a videogame developer like sega, I hope isn't all that bad of an opinion.

Yawn. A 'monstrous' 320GB hard drive? Get on the ball, Microsoft. With specs like that, I'd expect at least .75TB.

To add a bit to the debate, I'm going to get up on my soapbox for a little and say that Nintendo's main weakness is lack of a large online gaming following. Well, nonsupport of several large 3rd parties could tie into this as well. I believe that FPS's make up the vast majority of games played online, and unfortunately, Nintendo lost the bidding on the popular developers.

If Nintendo allows the Wii to become a niche product rather than a competitor, I will not be happy. I mean, look what happened to the Gamecube. It fell so far behind the PS2 and Xbox because it 1) lacked (practical) internet capability, 2) used a scary proprietary format, in the tradition of Nintendo, 3) Launched in that teletubby purple color (somehow I don't think this was attractive to serious gamers), and 4) missed out on some key popular franchises that made it onto PS2 and Xbox.

No one can deny that the 'Cube lost the last console war. Most of the games produced during the end of its run were either terrible, thrown together movie tie-ins or first party games. Nintendo's lack of ideas was becoming apparent (Pokemon Channel... what? Another Mario Party?) Don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo and I love their flagships, but they've got to step it up if they hope to win the current console war. But hey, take everything I say with a grain of salt ... I'm just a layperson, and have been out of the gaming loop for quite a while.

I wouldn't worry about Nintendo going the way of Sega anytime soon. Nintendo's got a huge advantage over Sega (and any other company in the business) in that they are a well-greased moneymaking machine. They made money off the N64. They made money off the Gamecube. Right now there's a cottage industry on the internet creating "It Prints Money" GIFs when it comes to the DS and Wii.

I'm not sure how they've done the last couple of quarters, but Microsoft just managed a profitable quarter for the first time ever last fall (with the release of Halo 3) after dumping hundreds of millions into the XBox project. Sony is hemorraging money this generation, and was really only profitable with its PS2. If it weren't for the shear size of the parent companies and their desire to keep pouring resources in with the expectation of receiving spillover effects (like PS3 and Blu-Ray), people would be more logically wondering why these companies didn't quit.

Nintendo won't stop making consoles until it stops being profitable for them. While I can't say that won't happen sometime in the future, I think we can be sure that the Wii's earned a successor to be released in 2011 or so. Even if the next console turns into a disappointment, Nintendo will be able to nurse their franchises (like during the Gamecube) and try again the generation after that. Only after THAT console fails do we have to worry about Nintendo going third pary.

By then it should be about 2019.



They already are. By a fair amount.

I've had my disagreements with Nintendo's practices myself (I remember being dumbfounded by the decision to go to cel-shaded graphics for Wind Waker on the eve of the Gamecube's launch). Heck, there have even been leaks about the folks at Nintendo of America have wanted to strangle the folks in the homeland.

And let's not forget as early as 2 years ago everyone (including myself) thought they were insane for naming their console after slang for urine.

But, for whatever reason, they're stronger today than they have been since the NES days.

Wow It Prints Money Ive gotta get me one of those

well all of the curent consoles have different markets. Nintendo's wii has been put towards everyone, getting people who are not in to the mainstream with lower technology. And before you snap my head off, they probably do some of the most inavative programing and with the classic characters those who are loyal will follow, my families getting one soon and im looking forward to there new pokemon stadium and smash bros.. At moment i have a 360 which seems to be the mainstream console, being from microsoft it is simular to computers and thus have some positives in this area, though Japanese seem to be more loyal to the other two and this brings down the 360. the PS3 is very advanced i would admit to that, but its price pushes it towards it loyal fans, though it is a bargain for a blue ray player, but what i have heard from a friend is if it crashes you have to pull the plug in then out/use the switch. its a bit too advanced, of course they shouldnt wory as the PS2 is still going strong.

Yea About the PS3 I'm getting one but I'm ganna wait for their smaller model They always make one They made a smaller PSone, PS2, PSP, & that's just screaming at you there making a smaller PS3. But if you ask me The PS2 is were Sony should have stopped cause it sells like hell and Games are coming out for it more then the PS3 and the PS2 Has the most popular games Ive ever played on it.