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26 Aug 2008, 1:57 am

The playstation controlers are good, quite easy to use.


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26 Aug 2008, 3:56 pm

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I have been hankering to get my hands on one of these again:


They sell them all the time on eBay...you just have to watch out for the shoddy third-party imitations.


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26 Aug 2008, 11:02 pm

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Since I first picked up the PS1 controller, I was in heaven. In my opinion Sony has made the perfect controller for the hand. And I'm glad they haven't made any changes to the design for the PS2 and PS3 controllers. I hope they never do, I don't see how they could really improve it.

Though I am looking forward to the day when my brain is the controller and I no longer have to rely on hand-eye coordination.


That is where we differ I find the PS1, PS2 and PS3 controllers to be the worst of all controllers made minus the one for the virtual boy (man that console was a real stinker). Though I suppose everyone's hands are different so different people like different controllers.


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27 Aug 2008, 4:37 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
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I like PS2 controller. I think it's the most versatil controller.

I bought an adapter that lets me play with PS2 controllers on Gamecube/Wii (also works with XBOX).


If you want versatile, look no further:

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Can I play Wii games with a keyboard?

Videogame controllers were designed in order to play games. Most of the recent games work better with an analog controller.



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27 Aug 2008, 4:46 pm

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If you want versatile, look no further:

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Quoted for truth.



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27 Aug 2008, 6:48 pm

Keyboards are rather less than ideal for platform games (give me my dual shock for Prince of Persia any day).

For FPS's they're great...

If you like carpal tunnel syndrome. ;p


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28 Aug 2008, 12:08 am

twoshots wrote:
Keyboards are rather less than ideal for platform games (give me my dual shock for Prince of Persia any day).

For FPS's they're great...

If you like carpal tunnel syndrome. ;p


I agree, I get cramps if I use mouse & keyboard too much.

DualShock pwns Keyboard!



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28 Aug 2008, 2:21 am

SamuraiSaxen wrote:
Most of the recent games work better with an analog controller.

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Analog.

'nuff said...

twoshots wrote:
Keyboards are rather less than ideal for platform games (give me my dual shock for Prince of Persia any day).

For FPS's they're great...

If you like carpal tunnel syndrome. ;p


I've never gotten carpal tunnel while gaming. Then again, I've never heard of a platform game for PC either...
Also, for RTS and 4X, which are my preferred game genres, the keyboard trumps any other controller out there 10 times over.

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DualShock pwns Keyboard!


Don't get me wrong, dualshock was a great controller (one of the few things that Sony has kept constant throughout the years), and it definitely beats out the shitbox 360 controller and that white plastic rectangular POS that Nintendo calls a controller. But as for keyboards, I still see a more versatile controller in the keyboard than in the dualshock. Also, I've broken over 5 dualshock 2's for my PS2, but am still on the same keyboard I've been using for the last 6 or so years...



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28 Aug 2008, 8:04 am

NO WAY, I hate using the keyboard for gaming, I get huge cramps with my fingers, and I keep forgeting where the keys are, I find it quite dificult. And for crying outload stop calling the Xbox 360 that, it is inulting to us consoel gamers who enjoy it, I take the controler over a keyboard for gaming anytime. I have a big time keeping my fingers in the corect position and find it hurts my rist doing computer games, I much prefer a consoel, stop being ignorant and understand that some people are different. With a consoel I can my hands go around easily on the controler and I find it much easier to play, also if I could not use consoel I could not play multiplayer games with my siblings, and sometimes I like to play with them. I have played fps games with a mouse and find the lack of control iritating, with the duel joysticks I feel much more in control and can both move easier and aim better. With the wireless controller I can play from my bed, play with my siblings, and I find the controls work realy well for games like Halo, Assasins creed and the Darkness. And the Wiimote and is quite amazing why do you have to insult it just because it is different, is that what you do insult something different. Also of course RTSs are better on PC, the masive amount of buttons are quite usefull, but consoels try there best to bring them to people that are not computer gamers. I have LOTR:battle for middle earth 2 on 360 and I enjoy it, I understand it is better on PC but PC is not my genre, also if you keep insulting the 360 I will start nameing all the exclusive games that are comeing on it and the other consoels.

Remember they are just for fun and some people have more fun on PC and some have more fun on Consoels, oh and some have more fun on MAC.


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28 Aug 2008, 1:12 pm

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...I've never heard of a platform game for PC...


Apogee had like two billion platformers (Duke Nukem, Commander Keen, etc.), as did several other shareware publishers...Epic Megagames had a lot. For a more recent example, Psychonauts I've heard is a platformer (haven't tried it yet myself).

That and there's always emulation and ports ;) You don't know awkward controls until you try to play Street Fighter II with a keyboard :x


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28 Aug 2008, 6:46 pm

My favourite ever controller is the 360 one. Besides the shoddy D-pad, the rest is perfect. The Gamecube and SNES controllers are second and third respectively.



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28 Aug 2008, 8:07 pm

SabbraCadabra wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
...I've never heard of a platform game for PC...


Apogee had like two billion platformers (Duke Nukem, Commander Keen, etc.), as did several other shareware publishers...Epic Megagames had a lot. For a more recent example, Psychonauts I've heard is a platformer (haven't tried it yet myself).

That and there's always emulation and ports ;) You don't know awkward controls until you try to play Street Fighter II with a keyboard :x

Well, the problem isn't with old school ones, its with new ones. A keyboard mouse combo is just worthless compared to two sticks in a movement/camera-stick control layout.


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29 Aug 2008, 1:02 pm

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A keyboard mouse combo is just worthless compared to two sticks in a movement/camera-stick control layout.


I'm not entirely sure what this means.

You mean 3D platformers like Super Mario 64?


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29 Aug 2008, 1:33 pm

SabbraCadabra wrote:
twoshots wrote:
A keyboard mouse combo is just worthless compared to two sticks in a movement/camera-stick control layout.


I'm not entirely sure what this means.

You mean 3D platformers like Super Mario 64?

Sorta. The ones I specifically had in mind were I guess more adventure games or whatever you want to call them. Like Tomb Raider or the Prince of Persia series, which use the modern convention of one stick for movement and the other for controlling the camera. Any way that's done on a keyboard-mouse is pretty bad IMO.


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29 Aug 2008, 5:09 pm

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My favourite ever controller is the 360 one. Besides the shoddy D-pad, the rest is perfect.



i think that's the only design they had left. nintendo's d-pad design is proprietary and same with the PS d-pad design. it's too much like the genesis' d-pad, though...very clumsy and cumbersome.


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29 Aug 2008, 8:38 pm

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Don't get me wrong, dualshock was a great controller (one of the few things that Sony has kept constant throughout the years), and it definitely beats out the shitbox 360 controller and that white plastic rectangular POS that Nintendo calls a controller. But as for keyboards, I still see a more versatile controller in the keyboard than in the dualshock. Also, I've broken over 5 dualshock 2's for my PS2, but am still on the same keyboard I've been using for the last 6 or so years...


I don't like you are calling "sh!t" XBOX and Wii controllers.

A keyboard is a versatile accesory, I must agree. I used to play MMORPGs and the keyboard is the best choice for this game genre. Sometimes it's frustrating trying to write text entries on my PSP when I surf the web, check my e-mail or play online. I used to play roms on emulators (NES, SNES, SMS, . . .) with a keyboard because it was the cheapest option (although I finished with cramps).

I repeat "Controllers were designed in order to play games", controllers were made to improve the game experience. But, how can I have a satisfactory game experience if I get cramps using a keyboard for long periods of time?

As twoshots said, in a movement/camera-stick control layout the best choice is a two-sticks controller. Just try to play with a keyboard Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence, Robotech Invasion and other games with this control.

My current keyboard-mouse combo and the DualShock2 who came with my PS2 are almost the same age, like 6 years. I have problems with my keyboard frequently, some keys get stuck, directional keys don't respond good; and my older controller has the left analog stick covering a little sticky ('cause I accidentaly left it exposed to the sunlight :oops: ), however my two controllers work perfect. I don't get your point.