How Did You Explain Your Social Difficulties to Yourself?

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12 Nov 2005, 7:38 pm

Hmmm, interesting....I always thought myself superior to everyone. I have a very competitive nature so sports wasn't a problem (even though i'm severally underweight)....in gym i was always the last person standing on my team for dodge ball.

@those bullied
I've never been bullied either....suppose it's cause i've always got a pissed off look equivalent to "you f*** with me and i will kill you on the spot." think of bullies as animals on the hunt; they can smell your fear so never show it...and should u ever be bullied to an extreme fight back....fight to win...they may be bigger than you but swift kick to the groin will bring any man down; then calmly walk away...if u run they know you're afraid of them, walking away shows you have no fear of them. if they rise up and attack you...lay them low. :twisted:

@those who feel the need to change to suit others
just remember ppl this simple phrase (please don't edit) "f**k you all, I'm not going to change" i have never changed myself to suit others if you don't like me then you can just go to hell.


*btw: i've kinda go anger issues so some of this stuff i've mentioned if from my own expierence


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12 Nov 2005, 8:01 pm

I just thought I wasn't taught something everyone else was. That maybe I missed something along the way. But I was mostly oblivious anyways.


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12 Nov 2005, 8:37 pm

I became an alcoholic.
I had to deal with that first.

I also saw myself as exceptionally spiritual.
My biggest obsession for a long time was theology.
I became a novitiate at a very austere Orthodox monastery.
But learned to have a strong dislike for religious dogma.
Later the whole religious structure.
I should have gotten a PHD in religous studies so that I could be a disgruntled professor.

Now I know that I am an Aspie, a very lonely aspie who has avoided intimate relationships for most of my adult life, and doesn't even know how to start.



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12 Nov 2005, 9:56 pm

I believed i had radically different interests than most everyone else. And i thought things through a lot further than everyone else. That i was more inclined to be rational and reasonable. I considered myself just to be a rare kind of person.

Honestly. I playfully believe that I really am human and most everyone else are gorillas. I don't ever act on this, or belittle anyone, or truely believe it myself.


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12 Nov 2005, 11:29 pm

I just considered myself very shy and introverted. With a healthy dose of what pyraxis said added in.


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13 Nov 2005, 4:02 pm

I come from a fairly small town and I was the only person there who was trully interested in computers. I always figured that if I met someone who wasnt totally obsesed with hurling or football, I would be instantly their best friend.



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13 Nov 2005, 4:31 pm

Knasher wrote:
I come from a fairly small town and I was the only person there who was trully interested in computers. I always figured that if I met someone who wasnt totally obsesed with hurling or football, I would be instantly their best friend.


That's what I'm thinking right now, buddy. :D

Back in high school I always thought I just didnt understand how to make it work. I also thought that the others might just be more brave. I did have a couple of weakly coupled friends, they would find it funny when I asked them if they ever felt like maybe they were unconcious in a lab and all of life was just an experiment being done to them.



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13 Nov 2005, 4:45 pm

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That's what I'm thinking right now, buddy

Im half way through a course in computer science and currently on work experience in Intel, and I have learned one important fact... Everyone (else) is interested in sport, its all they talk about in college (that and babies in work). All in all I'd say in college I know about 3 people who arn't obsessed with it. Still though on the brighter side of things they are my friends (I think).



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13 Nov 2005, 4:53 pm

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That's what I'm thinking right now, buddy

Im half way through a course in computer science and currently on work experience in Intel, and I have learned one important fact... Everyone (else) is interested in sport, its all they talk about in college (that and babies in work). All in all I'd say in college I know about 3 people who arn't obsessed with it. Still though on the brighter side of things they are my friends (I think).


It is this way at my college as well. I am thinking when I get out (one more semester to go), and get a job, then maybe.



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13 Nov 2005, 7:41 pm

I was around 9 or 10 years old before I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, but I was around 3 when doctors knew I had some form of autism. But, before I knew about AS, I thought that I was just a socially unaccepted and was used to (and came to like at times) being alone. I was never the best at the elementary school games like tether ball, foursquare, or tag, but I wasn't exactly dull either. I was sort of in between: I wasn't dull, but I wasn't so smart that I needed to go to a special school. I did excel in art classes, however, and it ended up being one of my favorite courses.


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13 Nov 2005, 7:58 pm

I was always shy and socially challenged but didn't have crushing anxiety around others until 7th grade. Of course, this was after 6th grade when everyone at school started making it their mission to point out what a geeky, ugly, dumb, low-life loser I was. I could never figure out why they hated me so much and afterwards, was terrified of making myself a target.

It didn't help I was bullied in spite of my efforts to fit in so I just withdrew more and more until I no longer desired to be around anyone. As I grew older and the anxiety increased, I contributed it as a weakness on my part. My parents didn't help as they castigated me for not snapping out of it. I began to hate myself for this, among other things, and wondered why I was such a loser.

After being prescribed anti-depressants, the anxiety decreased along with the depression I suffered so I contributed my uneasiness around people to social anxiety disorder. But even still, I was socially inept and since I was already getting help, I thought it was a character defect on my part. After finding out I had Aspergers, it was akin to finding out the parent who always hated you wasn't your's biologically. In other words it explained so much that occured throughout my life and opened the door to accepting myself.


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13 Nov 2005, 11:55 pm

I was never diagnosed with AS, and I may not have it, but I am not 100% NT. I've always marched to a differen drummer, and never been a part of that social circle everyone is supposed to be in. I never had their interests. Of everyone in the family, I was always the least "industrious". I appeared smart, artistic, and creative and all that, but I never did well in school. My grades were average, usually just in the C range, doing badly in math, and well in English and art-related courses. I tried, worked hard etc., but never got the consistent honor roll grades my sisters got, despite my father's unreasonable pressure and ability to make me feel like utter crap for no good reason. That, and his idiotic pride in having a Doctorate, being a right-minded, cultured, conservative and moral professor/defender of liberal arts. As a kid he not only was in the band, but he was a cub scout, had a paper route, and played baseball. He tried to get me to do each of these things, but I was never interested for long.

His philosophy in life is: "Work really, really, hard. Extra effort rewards you and is what enables you to live a good life. Be moral and live life as if you were back in the 1950's as the world was a better place back then. Our culture has become corrupt and immoral, so prepare to be alarmed and offended by everything. Meet everyone's expectations. Always be polite and grovel to your superiors because you don't want to waste any opportunities. Live in a constant state of anxiety."

My philosophy is: "Screw everyone else and find your passion. Be nice and polite to people because you can." Sort of the opposite of his.

His pressure never helped anyone. My sisters were always better students than I. Whenever people talked to me, I always discussed my passions--my artwork, my idea for whatever book or movie I wanted to make eventually, and the fantasy world of whatever game I was playing at the time. Basically whatever held my obsession.

To my father, these passions were trivial distractions that were not as important as maintaing good grades and getting into college etc., but to sacrifice them would mean spiritual death to me, which is something I would have rather killed myself than lose. He felt guilty about me as well, wishing that he'd been a better role model (whatever that means) and wishing that he'd raised me better so I'd grow up to be an extorverted over-achiever like him with an intense interest in classical music, education, and success. To him I'm just a lazy under-achiever.

I never felt smart, though. I had a pretty good vocabulary from the books I read (didn't read much fiction--mostly non-ficiton books). Because I was a self-taught artist, my art was never that good. At least not good enough to compete with those people who went into school to major in art. I was bored perpetually by school, and was never consistently a good student. Sometimes I think my only talent is fooling people into thinking I'm more intelligent than I am by talking about my interests. My I.Q. is what, 128? That's well above average, but it's nothing special, and it's certainly below par for my supposed group.

I've always hated math, science, logic, and philosophy. I've hated the insistence on rationality, objectivity, data, and empiricism. It's a depressing, soulless, suffocating realm in which I find no pleasure or room for catharsis. This is what differentiates me from most other "nerds". I'm often mistaken for an 'NT' rational because of my percieved intelligence and lack of affect, but I am a spiritual 'NF' idealist. It's like I have the soul of an artist but the social skills of a nerd.

My apparent lack of affect and extreme sensitivity to insults has ensured that I have had no social life whatsoever for most of my life. I had some friends in middle and high school, but never a group of friends, as most of them hated each other. And certainly, under no conditions whatsoever, did I ever have any relationships with girls. I recieved my first kiss at the age of 21, and my first relationship (not that I intend for it to end!) perhaps 6 months ago at the age of 23. No matter what I said, it was misunderstood, laughed at, or people simply foudn me creepy or dorky or whatever. In fact, "creepy" was the single most common adjective predicated to describe me. One of my dad's co-workers, a child psychologist, met me briefly and said that I was "a bomb about to explode". I certainly didn't feel that way. I was just apathetic about meeting him.

I always felt behind my peers. Inferior, less mature, less experienced, and always out of the loop. I knew nothing of their pop culture. And I watched them kiss in the hallways, feeling deprived and nothing but rage. I sometimes felt like there was something wrong with my mind. I had many long periods of monomania directed at particular interests, wether computer games, writing, art, or the various worlds I created, but afterwards my interests would wane and I'd move on (or back) to something else.

Only a few months ago, perhaps less than a year ago, did I even hear of Asperger's Syndrome. I found it incidentally, when I was at wikipedia and cross-referenced an article. I was shocked, because so many of the symptoms sounded exactly like what I had (I was called a "little professor" by some, and have crappy hand-eye coordination and absolutely no interest in sports). I took an aspie test and came out borderline. I tried to explain to my family that I may very well have this and so far all of them are quickly and entirely dismissive of the idea.

My sister says that I have affect and have simply chosen to repress it. She's an extrovert, unlike me. She says it's simply because I've been hurt, and this is how I've chosen to react. That's worth considering too, I suppose.


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14 Nov 2005, 10:57 am

I couldn't put my finger onto why I was different. I would always ask myself "why can't I be like the other kids?" in one way or another over the years I was growing up. Even when I was able to make friends, things at time seemed precarious as I could never really connect with people, so I never had that sense of security that NT's have.

When I got to junior high school, I took on a "Why me?" attitude. My other peers were too far removed from me for me to really have a firm understanding of them other than they all really wanted nothing to do with me and would tolerate me just long enough to get through a class or group session that I would ulimately get shoved into becasue no one would be my partner.

I can recall the complaining and frustration from people who got stuck working with me - my god was 1992 a bad year for me

Then sometime later when I got to high school, I figured, "well I am who I am" and that things would work themselves out in the end. But when I was 22 I realized for the first time that social ability, not talent would dictate how much I would accomplish in life.

When I viewed that way, I squarely blamed myself and all my problems on my lack of an attempt to get a social education.

Oh how close I came three years ago to discovering the truth, however I foolishly enough chose not to look into things and I had to wait another two years before discovering the truth.


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14 Nov 2005, 11:04 am

NeantHumain wrote:
Before discovering Asperger's syndrome and the autistic spectrum, how did you explain your social difficulties to yourself?


The other people seemed to be stupid idiots. I was the only normal person on this planet. Everybody was after me, making my life hell... :?


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14 Nov 2005, 1:59 pm

I never quite understood why I had the difficulties I did or thought the way I did, but I had alot of theories. One was like another poster mentioned, I had interests that were different from those of everyone else. Alot of people admired athletes and such while I admired Thomas Edison. Things I thought were interesting often brought me ridicule when peers found out about my interests. I can remember being laughed at because of my interest in shortwave radio, which I never understood why people thought there was something wrong with that.

One theory I had was in early years, I wasn't exposed to other kids, only my older siblings. I was never around other kids until I started school. They often treated me like a lower class citizen because I couldn't do the things they did, I was clumsy, and so on. No matter what I did or how hard I tried, even when I got things right, it was never acceptable. The rule in my house was if I said anything it was wrong while if anyone else said the same thing, it was right. When asked why I was simply told "you're always wrong." It got to the point where I got fed up with trying to be accepted so I just walked away and retreated into my own world where I was happier. That contributed to my desires to be solitary in my opinion.

Another I had was I constantly swtiched schools, having been in 6 by the time I finished 8th grade. I often got teased, but the level and reason for the teasing often varied from one school to the next. I figured I wasn't good at adapting to different cultures, so my behavior often got me ridiculed.

My experiences with being forced to swim, which I have posted about previously, may have also contributed to my problems. Every summer, I was forced to swim by my parents when my sister did. This gave her control over me and it was very humiliating. I felt like less of a person because of this, and I think it sometimes showed.

There were a couple of times when I was able to make a friend, my sister would make an effort to steal my friends from me. In our house, the rule was if she had a friend over, I was forbidden to disturb them in anyway and if I did, our brother the enforcer would make it clear to me in no uncertain terms, often physically, I was to leave them alone. I naturally assumed my sister would have to abide by the same rule when I had friens over, which turned out to be totally false.

My sister would often strike up conversations with them about the books she had read and other such topics, such as music, and she'd try to show how much smarter she was than I, and my friend would eventually go over to her side. It wasn't something romantic or anything like that, just she was able to take my friends away and I couldn't figure out what to do. One time I tried to do something, it ended up not working.

In one incident involving music, my sister got my friend to agree that I didn't listen to any "Good" music and he go over to her side to listen to what she had. I decided to be smart and find a band my friend enjoyed. One band he liked was the Beatles and since I liked it too, I copied a Beatles album on to a tape and when my friend came over, I offered him a chance to hear it, which I thought would work out. We listened for a little while, and he started getting disinterested, and my sister came along and offered some of her "Beatles" music. When I said to my friend that's what we were listening to he said "Not your kind of Beatles, Her kind" which turned out to be the soundtrack the to late 1970s film "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band," which featured nothing but covers of Beatles songs by other artists(many of which in my opinion were terrible) and not the real band. This made no sense to me at all.

Another incident involved her striking up conversations about books with another friend of mine. He'd end up coming over to talk to her and not even saying hello to me or anything. That really hurt my feelings and again, I didn't know what to do, so I let it go.

After these incidents, if I made any friends, I never allowed them to my home at all because I was afraid Sis would try and take them away too. I've always had the question in my mind if they gravitated to her side because of my shortcomings or because of her refusing to respect my space and making a conscious effort to turn the few friends I made away from me. She had alot of friends, what did she need mine for?

I always thought people would behave by rational rules, which as a rule, NTs do not. I always had trouble with double standards while NTs seem to be able to apply them left and right without batting an eyelash. It just doesn't make sense.

Today, I still wonder if any of those things caused my problems. I also wonder if it was something different about me. Not sure I'll ever have the answer, but I keep looking.


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14 Nov 2005, 2:31 pm

There seems to be a common theme among some of the posters: unfair and unjust treatment by parents and siblings. I am sure that does a lot to damage people's ability to form healthy social relations. It is almost as though we 'expect' to be treated shabbily and unfairly and are then somehow 'responsible' for bringing it about.

I have tended to accept taht I am 'just a bit unusual' with a quick temper and an apparent incapacity/unwillingness to let others lord it over me. I have had plenty of time to get used to never quite fitting in, sometimes with people being quite unpleasant and nasty about it. There is a solution of course; a more solitary lifestyle takes the edge off most of it. Problems can arise in the workplace however (well, they always do for me, which is why I have had so quite a few jobs and long spells of unemployment).

I am not really a 'people person', but it is only in the last two or three years that I have been able to admit it to myself.