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14 Dec 2005, 1:10 pm

HuskyInDenial wrote:
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i dont know because
i dont forgive easily
for example on the guilty pleasure forum hecate was being an (cencored). she later said she was being playful but i still hate her till this very day.
hecate? you mean when you said Pixies suck because they play "pop," (which they don't, mind you) and she gave you a Chinese burn, and then you laughed at her and called her childish, and she frowned and said she was only trying to be friendly? I actually thought you were being the (censored) there. But that's just me. I kinda lost interest in the battle and moved on; I don't like confrontations. No one has posted there since :-\
However, TheViking also wrote:
i guess i'm a very hateful person and somewhat proud of it.

at least you know what you are and can live with it ^___^


i didnt laugh at the "chineese burn" laugh at how low she sank and how childish she is

but now i forgive her


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14 Dec 2005, 1:22 pm

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i didnt laugh at the "chineese burn" laugh at how low she sank and how childish she is


I figured as much :roll:

now... go read my writings! XD I'm gonna put up another right here, just for the sake of relevancy ^^

I picked this because it's short. It's about a haunt-come-alive in a storyline I call "All in All." I have it all worked out, the story of the ghost, but I just wrote summat short for it.

Demon of Sorrow
human spirit so malignant,
sorrow demon reign so high,
cast a shadow independent.
unseen blackness cover sky.

human spirit, sad and vicious,
on your breath hangs final sigh.
your intention, so malicious.
clouded mind, soul, beg to die.

death spirit, regret incarnate,
darkened heart, betrayed, you cry.
over souls with sorrow innate
cast relieving dark, let fly.

regret spirit, sorrow’s truth,
once so timid, quiet, shy,
spread your wings o’er disturbed youth,
take in your wing, break the sky.


I have happier stuff, but it's all long XD


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16 Dec 2005, 12:11 am

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May shadows on the land
be cast by soccer balls and children,
not bombs and billowing smoke.

Instead, let smoke rise
from sacrificial fires
that purify, not destroy.

Replace the acrid smells
of burning flesh and steel
with incense and smudgepots.

May the clotted blood and putrid flesh
in the gutters and sewers be cleansed
by the mercy of the life giving rains.

Rains flowing like tears
of separation and joy
upon the wounded earth.


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19 Dec 2005, 2:43 pm

mate, that was awesome ^_^

that picture's pretty amazing, too.


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19 Dec 2005, 3:28 pm

Thanks. The picture was the inpiration.


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20 Dec 2005, 5:22 pm

Woah totally forgot i started this thread !

some excellent stuff here.

ridgerider, that was excellent. Gives us all an important message and love the pic that goes with it.

Husky, you like Dir en Grey too ? cool. I love their rock ballads and mellower stuff but not keen on metal so dont really listen to their heavier songs.

So do you guys normally plan out th form of the poem before hand, or do you just write as soon as you get inspiration ?

Anyone of good poetry sites with guides on writing for a newbie ? and forums where people share their work ?

keep it up guys.



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20 Dec 2005, 5:32 pm

\m/\m/m\m/\m/
:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !
the world comes to an end
as armegoden comes
people hide in bomb shelters
not knowing they arent safe
and now armagedon reigns
because of the many sins of people
god strikes us with his wrath
all are soul will reach the firey pits of hell
after armagedon reigns
armagedon aeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeigns
armegodon reigns
and now we shall die
muhahahahahahahaha
:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:
\m/\m/m\m/\m/


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20 Dec 2005, 7:26 pm

This is a great site if you are serious about learning the craft of writing poetry. It is a great site because they have very strict guidelines and the moderators are ruthless in enforcing them. On any given day, there is always some newbie who skips reading the guidelines then complains about being ill treated by mods, no freedom of speech, the rules of the past don't apply to my unique style, etc etc - all the cliche whinings found on every forum.

Read the guidelines (which include critiquing 3 poems for everyone posted by yourself) and stick to General until you feel comfortable critiquing and used to being critiqued. Don't freak out when harshly criticized - always remember that the poem belongs to the reader as much as to the poet, and the critiques are about the poem, not the poet personally. Start here:

http://www.everypoet.org/pffa/showthrea ... 9967&poems

This first link is to an index of archived threads and articles about poetry writing. Some of the topics are specific to posting on their site.

This next link is to a forum where you can submit poets for critiquing:

http://www.everypoet.org/pffa/forumdisp ... prune=&f=8

If you want to start slowly, with no obligation to critique, there is a sister site which is more for sharing:

http://www.everypoet.net/%7Eeverycom/ppop/

Some bullet points:

Read lots and lots of good poetry. Then read some more.

Show, don't tell.

Avoid abstractions.

The important thing is not how you feel when you write the poem - it is how it makes the readers feel when they read it.

There is a difference between journaling and poetry. (Journaling is fine - it just isn't poetry)

Rhyme and meter are advanced techniques best avoided when starting, unless used in doggeral for comic effect.

Don't be discouraged by harsh criticism - personally, when I used to hang out there, I never critiqued really bad poems - only ones that showed some glimmer of hope. So being critiqued is, IMHO, better than being ignored.

Write big and broad, then cut, cut, cut.

Rewriting is essential. Instant rewrites are mostly useless.

If you don't respect your poem enough to proof read it, why should the reader respect it at either?

Good luck and don't be discouraged if you aren't recognized as a genius your first few poems. 99.99999% of us aren't.


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20 Dec 2005, 8:23 pm

Jonny wrote:
Woah totally forgot i started this thread !

some excellent stuff here.

ridgerider, that was excellent. Gives us all an important message and love the pic that goes with it.

Husky, you like Dir en Grey too ? cool. I love their rock ballads and mellower stuff but not keen on metal so dont really listen to their heavier songs.

So do you guys normally plan out th form of the poem before hand, or do you just write as soon as you get inspiration ?

Anyone of good poetry sites with guides on writing for a newbie ? and forums where people share their work ?

keep it up guys.
Definitely like Dir en grey, and I can stomach the hard stuff, too ^^

Obviously, Ridgerider write in a much more strict form than I do. I follow no asymptotes when I write. I just do, how I want to and when I feel like it. -shrugs and scratches his head- I dunno. I also don't like to edit work later on. Sometimes it's necessary, but I don't like to do it at all, and I generally refrain from doing so if it can be avoided.
Sometimes I plan before hand as to the topic, but it usually starts with me lying in bed trying to go to sleep, but having my weird movie scene-like thoughts playing out in my head... and then a line or two will come to me, and I'll write them down and that's the beginning. Things like that ^^
I'm not a wolf of structure. I don't read guides on writing, and I suppose I never will, be it because I'm too lazy, or because I don't want to.

I definitely agree, though... please, please, please proofread your work ere submitting it. It's one thing to send a message board post or an IM with typos, but a polished piece of work should be polished ><


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22 Dec 2005, 11:46 am

Image

Quote:
Family Picture

after the painting by Max Beckmann, 1920

Grandpa lies stretched, the old horn in his hand,
trying not to notice the tarnished brass at his chin.
He’ll form his lips, almost wanting to play,
move his fingers along the inlay then push the horn away.
He does this for hours.

I sit all the while and watch as Gertrude, my eldest sister,
fixes her face in her bare white slip. She calls me rude
for staring and says Well, the dress is the last to put on
so as not to mess it!
I think her face desperately
needs the improvement so I don’t press it much
and look at her dress hung over a chair in the far corner instead.
It could use some makeup, too.

I think the dress hurts Grandma’s eyes.--
Or maybe it’s the light. I invite her to sit beneath the table
with me. She sighs that I am a kind boy but old bones are less able
than young bones and puts her hand back over her face.
I leave her alone

and stare back at the dress, which is now on my sister,
her face in paints.

Grandpa paws at his horn again, smiles,
then pushes it away.
Mother shakes her head at Gertrude’s dress, too.
Aunt Helga just reads her paper:
the Deutschmark keeps falling.

My eyes keep falling.
Mother says it’s near bed time-- that I should wash my face.
I close my book.

I get up from beneath the table and as I leave
I hear Mother ask Grandpa if he’ll ever play for us again--
maybe tonight even?
I turn around and wait.

Short-winded, he promises he will one day, one day he promises,
fingers the horn,
and then pushes it away.


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22 Dec 2005, 4:00 pm

That was great. Did you write that Sophist?

I read the poem before taking a serious look at the painting. IMHO, the poem is better without the painting - the painting gives away all its emotional content up front, whereas the poem slowly reveals the true situation, layer by layer, initially giving the illusion of a joyous event about to unfold, a wedding, with kind of a breathy anticipation, then the slide to ambiguity, the first inclinations of doubt this may be something else but easy to ignore or gloss over those hints until the line that carries the most emotional impact in the piece:

"the Deutschmark keeps falling. "

What a great setup for a line that out of context of the poem would be merely some boring detail of mundane life.

The finality of unambiguous quiet despair in:

"Mother says it’s near bed time"

which removes all hope this is even a brief moment of joy, a wedding, in a sad time.


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23 Dec 2005, 2:01 pm

Yes, I wrote that this last summer, based off of the Beckmann painting.

Thank you, ridgerider, for the compliments. :)


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23 Dec 2005, 3:02 pm

I am impressed. And I am not one to give compliments lightly, for whatever that's worth.

Again, if I were you , I wouldn't post it with the picture. The line about it being "after the painting by Max Beckmann, 1920" is more than adequate to set the scene - the "1920" being especially relevant as the historical context is important. Maybe if posted online make the intro line a click thru to the painting. But the slow peeling away of the layers is what really makes it.

Some might criticize by saying it is a little too prosey but prose poems seem to be more of an accepted form now than they once were. And it seems a good use of prose herein to help understate the despair, lending it even greater power, that in a more formal poetic mode might easily go over the top.

I would encourage you to write some more. Not that there is much of a market for real poetry these days except in personal satisfaction, or at most, other poets' interest.

Craft is what we make to sell, art is what we do even if noone buys it.


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23 Dec 2005, 7:50 pm

I was originally an English Major for a long time and was intending on going on to an MFA. I also do translation, mainly Rilke (who was German).

But as of now, I am having a real down time as per creating anything which I find satisfying or even proud of. I'm giving it a LONG rest and am focusing on psychology (of course) and my art a bit.

I'm feeling terribly depressed about my poetry and have lost the vast majority of my confidence. I have a few pieces which I can look back on with pride and wish I could replicate their success again (Family Picture being one of them), but these feel like they are growing fewer and fewer as time moves on.

Oh well. I'm sure I'll probably come back to it in time. But for now, I have nothing to give to it. (I agree, btw, about the picture but I wanted to post it since it's one of my favorite paintings.)

Here's another piece:


Quote:
Epitaph

“From my rotting body, flowers shall
grow and I am in them and that is
eternity.”

-Edvard Munch


Plant a rosebush on my grave.
A plain pine box is enough.
I don’t need any more
than this.

I’ll work my way back
into the soil that had once
offered me to the living.
Now I return the gift.

And as the sum
of my parts in dividing
are taken up
into those roots

soon you’ll see
the green of my eyes in all
the leaves and my smile
on the curve of each petal.


I think I'd eventually use this as my own epitaph if I weren't a detail freak (since my eyes are actually blue, not green). :lol:

ridgerider wrote:
Some might criticize by saying it is a little too prosey but prose poems seem to be more of an accepted form now than they once were.


Prose poetry (though not necessarily in the new short paragraph form) is just about all one sees these days. *sigh* Except for those poets who do some kind of blank verse, and even then one rarely realizes it's a formal poem.


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23 Dec 2005, 8:24 pm

as life becomes death
hell is near
no goodbyes
fistful of regret and sorrow
now you have seen the last of life
and death will be their forever


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23 Dec 2005, 8:36 pm

as the sun decends
and darkness arives
they come from the hills
they ride their horse
with weppons in hand

tonight their will be hell to pay
tonight you better hide
tonight their will be hell to pay
toniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!!1


prepare for retribution and terror
from the vikings
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