What someone has said about abortion on another forum.

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Abortions don't occur a day before mothers give birth, unless its one of those aforementioned emergencies where either the mother or baby will have to die to save the other.

Agreed, but its not for my pleasure. Its given, never taken.

Yeah, I DO have the duty to judge others. If you know what's good for you, you better learn how to judge and judge FAIRLY.

But no, you absolutely do NOT save the child and kill the woman. My whole point is you don't kill ANYONE. What happens is that it becomes necessary to kill, and I do hold the conviction that the woman's right to her own life supersedes the life of anyone who threatens it. People do ordinarily have the right to protect their own life, and which side of the womb that person is on is totally irrelevant. Sometimes the decision whose life should end is a tough one.

My wife and I will always disagree on this one. She would fight to save her baby every time at the cost of her own life. I respect her values, but I simply cannot imagine WHY. If we found out she had an ectopic pregnancy, I'm the kind of guy who'd shoot her up with methotrexate in her sleep, because I'm pretty sure I know she would attempt to carry the baby to term. I guess it's a good thing that women "have a right to control their own bodies," right?

Right, despite the example you gave.

I can almost guaranty that any sane and reasonable woman experiencing an ectopic pregnancy is likely to eventually beg for the pregnancy to be terminated, due to the I N T E N S E  P A I N involved.

Imagine being tasered in the 'nads while simultaneously having a live cattle-prod shoved all the way up your rectum -- this is the most graphic description ever related to me by a woman regarding her own ectopic pregnancy, and I doubt that it even comes close to a real and direct experience.

My understanding is that ectopics are generally assumed to be unsurvivable for the baby. If the woman manages to carry long enough for the baby to be viable without any rupture, the delivery has to be by section. If there IS a rupture, there's a significant risk to the mother's life. This I cannot accept.

My wife, though...she's a tough bird. We had this discussion with my oldest daughter who was as good as ectopic...placenta previa, however, and more easily survivable than a tubal or cervical pregnancy. We never had any complications with our youngest two. I've gotten to see C-sections in action. Off-topic, but if you ever want to make a L&D team really nervous, insist on watching a section. I can handle it quite easily, no problem. I've heard stories of grown men having to be resuscitated after having seen too much, and doctors really, REALLY hate you when you pass out in the delivery room.

As I mentioned, though, there are rare situations in which taking the baby before it can survive outside the womb is perfectly justified. I don't presume to speak for women. But I do wonder about the thought process behind self-sacrifice to save the baby in those rare situations. I can understand that someone would rather die than decide to terminate her baby's life if it meant having to live with the guilt. Why would someone feel guilty about that? I think answering that question and letting people understand that making decisions to preserve their own life is ok and that they are important makes it a non-issue. The problem I have with EVER taking another life is when it is unnecessary. In that sense, I do not believe that it is always necessary. I was using protection when we conceived our third child. Things break, and it's darned inconvenient when that happens. It didn't take us long to remember that new life is a gift, though, and our lives are better WITH the "little accident." Heck, if I killed everyone who inconvenienced me at some point in life, I'd be taking out a lot more kids than just my own. I would hope that the choices women make with their bodies take into account their bodies' capacity for bringing life into the world. Men and women both possess a tremendous amount of power in different forms--the ability to cause one to conceive new life, the ability to bring that new life into our world--and both should be careful to respect and carefully wield it.

I said it sarcastically, but I know there are a few lunatics around who really think it's absolutely fine.

If the man desires children he can find other hosts for such a grand purpose and do the leap of faith.
It is proper he doth not force his foetus on a fair lady.

I knew a guy who consistently poked holes in his wifes condoms and sealed them back and they kept having babies against her will.

He also kissed my lips when i was a kid behind his wife's back.

I took him to the forest to explore bc no one would come with me and I was afraid to be alone and he kept touching my butt. I took a branch and kept slapping his hands. I had already told him I was in a committed relationship online.

I was dizzy and dehydrated bc weve been going on for a while and out of the trees through the sun and he said if i pass out he would take me home, lol, i said if i pass out you better call the damn ambulance.
Damn loonies

lunatics who would think its absolutely fine to abort a baby the day before delivery when there are no complications putting the mother at risk? Well luckily that does not seem to be the majority of the pro-choice crowd, but I suppose I cannot claim no such lunatics exist.

I'm a utilitarian and I see a far greater positive outcome to simply allowing women to choose what to do with their bodies with regards to abortion. If there is a god, and he doesn't approve of it, that is between the mother and God, rather than the state (and individuals wishing to forcefully push their views and ideologies onto society) and the woman. I am fine with restrictions on abortion to the extent of late term pregnancies, but abortion itself should be allowed as well as free birth control. Free birth control mitigates the amount of abortions that would happen in the first place so I believe the right should consider it.

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