NewportBeachDude, thank you, and I agree with where you're coming from. Self-advocates need to advocate for what they have, not with what they can say they they are linked to, but aren't really sharing the same difficulties and challenges they do. Aspies speaking out for autistics, especially when it comes to speaking over autistics, doesn't seem right.
I know autistics, diagnosed low functioning, who have voices. They ought to be heard. They should be able to say what they think, not be spoken for. Aspies speaking for Autistics is like NTs speaking for Aspies, if you know what I mean.
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No, they should not be seperated completely, Newport. If we do that, AS advocacy will fall over because it will be seen as close to enough to the NT's definition of "normal" and not bother with it. We need the proven link between ourselves and Autism (the Spectrum) to get the help that we may need. It has been proven that the general rule in getting Aspergers early will make things OK. But that's the key - get it early. If you don't, then there will be problems - certainly with coping with life without a DX to guide you (I can talk through experience there).
Besides - purely because we are on the Spectrum, we do share a lot of traits with Autistics, especially HFA.
Autistics and Aspies have entirely different issues, different wants, different needs, different symptoms, different challenges. Compared to severe Autism, Aspergers isn't nearly so bad off.
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them, that is what you're saying. It's called using people.
Inventor, go invent a way to muzzle yourself. I don't need to hear these silly and baseless accusations from someone who has no idea what they're talking about. You're barking up the wrong tree, calling him a third party when he's the same as I, and you're not even actually diagnosed. You self-diagnosed yourself, and assume that you're the only person who's an Aspie. Because you really can't take a hint about being told that you're wrong about Elan(I've told you before), if you look at his profile, it will show you that he's a diagnosed Aspie. Not someone who's unsure if they've got it.
I think that Elan has been doing a great thing, and has clarified quite a lot. Just reading over his posts gives me a better understanding of the issues, like a cure, or the reactions that people of certain perspectives hve towards it, or even the idea of a cure. He's made some valuable contrbutions, and asked questions which needed, in my opinion, to be asked.
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Ok, the problem I see is that everyone is thinking as a whole group, not individually. The choice should be made my each person, and if there is ever a "cure" for us, then it will be indivual, yet many of you feel it is either everyone is "cured" or noone is.
Exactly, well said. I agree Riddick, you sure put that clearly.
Strapples, that's your choice, and I respect it.
CockneyRebel, you've got that choice. But does it have to be at the cost of the choices of others?
Aaronrey, I support that freedom of choice, though I don't neccesarily like it. Still, it is their right. Though children who can't even form the concept of religion, like the baby sextuplets, don't deserve to die for their parent's beliefs... It's not their life to let end, is it?
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