Grrrr, vaccine ARE connected with autism. >.< That's a

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What I like about them though is the variety of different authors... they may print stuff that's a bit out there at times, but it depends on who's written it as to whether you trust it 100% or not. I like that it isn't overly censored - you just need to read it with an open mind and work out for yourself what's accurate and what's likely speculation and over-exaggeration. So what they print may or may not be their own personal beliefs and opinions, but the author's instead, yet they'll still print it because somewhere there'll be people who will agree with it. It kinda hands that responsibility back to the reader (who knows to expect that when they pick it up and purchase it).

I would dearly love to discuss and perhaps even debate what you suggest here. The fact is that even the study that is used in your link, found no significant relation. None.

In Conclusion: we can state that this analysis does not rule out that receipt of th____ containing vaccine in children under three months of age may be related to an I_____ risk of neurologic developmental disorders. Specific conditions that may warra___ detailed study include autism, dyslalia, misery and unhappiness disorder and at____ deficit disorder. [b]There is no indication that thimerosal exposure is linked to inc____ risk of degenerative or other non-developmental neurologic disorders or renal d____ I can by pure grammatical and English language rules suggest that the words missing from this image would be the following (in order): thimerosal, increased warrant, attention, increased and damage (or disorder).

Limitations of the study that I believe may be significant?: "We were not able to differentiate between single dose thimerosal free Hib vaccines and multi-dose thimerosal containing Hib vaccines. These analyses were done assuming all vaccines came from multi-dose vials. An analysis assuming all Hib vaccines to come from single dose-vials did not substantially alter the results.

-- I wonder, had the two been able to be separated, would the outcome have differed? I doubt it.

I have to question the assumption of the "development" of the neurological disorders "AFTER" the vacccines, because, as we are already well aware, there is, as yet, no concrete method of pre-determining the existence of these disorders prior to the vaccine, and as such, can not correlate that their onset was a direct result of the vaccine. In other words, the development of these disorders is more than often age based and is not a result of the vaccines... This study, failed to consider that in their limitations in my opinion.

I will also note that there is no significant increase in the occurrence of these neurological disorders as a direct result of the vaccine. Were this the case, such a comprehensive study would indeed highlight that fact.

As for whether or not this document was significant. I suggest that 50% of the autism diagnoses excluded
is quite significant and has the severe potential to alter any conclusions made by this study.

Furthermore on page 22 of the study, it states quite clearly the following [b]"To easily differentiate between the effect of thimerosal and vacine, we would need to compare a group that received thimerosal free vaccine to thimerosal containing vaccine, which leads to point 8. The closest we have come to such a comparison was by comparing the group that received the DTP-Hib combination vaccine (containing 25 ug of mercury) to the group that received the DTP and Hib separately (each 25 ug of mercury). This comparison showed no significant relation to the outcome of neurologic developmental delay.

It seems to me that were they actually able to filter out those children who did actually receive thimerosal and/or mercury from those who had received neither, there would again be no significant relation to the outcome of neurologic developmental delays.

The fact is that regardless of the study, regardless of who pays for it, the results come up repeatedly that there is no significant relation, yet we continue to throw millions of dollars into such studies in the off-chance mayhaps that somebody somewhere might actually come up with some significant relation.

Being unable to rule out a possibility that there is a connection is not the same as finding a connection. Given that the study itself had limitations that would keep them from being able to clearly say without a doubt that the findings cannot rule it out although they can state quite equivocally that there is no relation... Seems to point, once again, to the fact that there is no relation between vaccines and autism.

Sadly, it is the continued vehemence by such as Jenny McCarthy and Autism Speaks that forces the "research" monies to go over and over again the ridiculously suggestion that vaccines could even possibly cause autism... Jenny McCarthy's scientific proof? Mother's know.

I would dearly love to see something... anything that actually says that there is even a remote reason to continue such studies even though EVERYTHING to date states there is no relation.

ad nauseum. Sigh.

That's what is ultimately so dangerous about using it as if it is a reliable source, though. How is someone reading that link supposed to not believe that it's without a doubt fact if they have no idea what kind of sub-media Nexus (or whoever) actually is.

It's almost like linking to someone's opinion based on hearsay as if it were fact... how can you tell it isn't?

Glad you read the study. You got some good points. I've spent too much of my time researching this. I think I'm going to just wait a few years to see what happens in the US now that thimerosal has been removed.

I can't help it, it's my new addiction.

Did you see the study on thimerosal and vaccines by McGill University that I posted?

I read one you posted about autism rates in Canada after they removed thimerosal. The rate didn't go down so they concluded thimerosal isn't involved. These studies aren't clear because the rate will probably go up for the next several years due to more awareness and less people going undiagnosed.

I watched CNN last night and someone is finally going to do a study to look at autism rates in vaccinated versus unvaccinated children. That's what is needed. Studying one ingredient at a time is time consuming and expensive. If rates are the same, it would means vaccines almost certainly aren't involved. If autism is lower in unvaccinated group, they can do more research. Because they will use the same years of birth in both groups, the increased diagnosis won't be a factor. I just hope they go through with the study.

... I watched CNN last night and someone is finally going to do a study to look at autism rates in vaccinated versus unvaccinated children. ...

Bear in mind that any such study, with all other factors equal, would be VASTLY unethical, as you would be purposefully exposing the unvaccinated people to a completely avoidable high risk.

Surely they'd use people who are unvaccinated by choice though??

lol, no, actually, they're going to force a group of mothers to not ever vaccinate their unborn children just so they can have a clean study group. hehe

Sorry, couldn't resist

Bear in mind that any such study, with all other factors equal, would be VASTLY unethical, as you would be purposefully exposing the unvaccinated people to a completely avoidable high risk.

so if they stopped using those vaccines containing the mercury preservatives back in 2001.... why is autism STILL on the increase?

They already have the data. The recent study looking at autism rates in California after thimerosal was removed looked at medical records to determine the prevalence. All they have to do is look at the medical records for each of the autistics there and check to see who was vaccinated and then compare it to the vaccination rate in non-autistics (which is already known since 99.5% aren't autistic). If the vaccination rate in the autistics is higher than the non-autistics then there is evidence they may be involved. If the rate is the same, it's unlikely vaccines contribute to autism.