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16 Jan 2013, 1:17 pm

Fear Factory has basically become their own clone aswell through-out the years.

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16 Jan 2013, 1:30 pm

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Fear Factory has basically become their own clone aswell through-out the years.

Well when they got Dino back of course they'd go back to the old sound...other guitarist was alright but didn't work as well to me.

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16 Jan 2013, 1:37 pm

SanityTheorist wrote:

Uprising wrote:

Fear Factory has basically become their own clone aswell through-out the years.

Well when they got Dino back of course they'd go back to the old sound...other guitarist was alright but didn't work as well to me.

FF went downhill after Dino left, Transgression is easily their worst album. Their 2 most recent material is a whole lot better.

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16 Jan 2013, 1:44 pm

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Polyrhythms and progressive technical wankery simply can’t take the place of actual substance, atmosphere and emotion. I don’t like any of the stuff I’ve heard, not even the Meshuggah albums I have that are so highly appraised by some. It’s just sterile and lifeless to me. I’ll check out those bands sometime today.

I don't like most djent anymore either but Clouckicker is rare exception.

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16 Jan 2013, 2:23 pm

Agreed Lexton, at least Fear Campaign was a power return to form.

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16 Jan 2013, 2:50 pm

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Agreed Lexton, at least Fear Campaign was a power return to form.

I was thinking more along the lines of Mechanize and The Industrialist

Recharger has been stuck in my head for ages, it's an underrated FF song.

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16 Jan 2013, 3:13 pm

I strongly dislike black metal.

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16 Jan 2013, 3:24 pm

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I strongly dislike black metal.

Lol, usually you would expect death metal fans to like black metal too, not sure about the opposite tho.

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17 Jan 2013, 1:00 am

LexingtonDeville wrote:

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THAT'S the problem. You are only listening to Meshuggah and their endless amounts of clones. Djent is just like any trend...mostly poser bands. However, if you dig for the good 'uns, they're pretty damn good, mostly instrumental bands.

So these other bands, the ones you listed, don’t emphasize aspects such as a progressive focus on technicality and polyrhythms???
I already know of a good handful of ‘djent’ artists and know that this genre stems from and focuses on types of characteristics I don’t particularly like.

I see you don’t like black metal. Have you looked much deeper underground than the Mayhems, the Darkthrones, the Burzums, or the Marduks?? Why would you if you didn't enjoy these more mainstream releases and knew what black metal was.
I know if I didn’t like the traits of these bands most well known releases I wouldn’t have heard the greatness of Abigor or Darkspace or Necromantia or many other underground bm gems. If my friend doesn't like Immortal I'm not going to recommend he dig up some Torgeist.
The same goes for ‘djent’, I don’t like the stuff I’ve heard, I think I've heard enough and don’t care to waste any more time on it.
Looking at your last fm page I see we may not see eye to eye a lot of the times concerning what constitutes ‘good metal’ so perhaps we just have to agree to disagree.

Oh, the bands I listed are very heavy and focus on technicality in polyrhythms alright. They just add their own influences to the style. What characteristics are you referring to?

There was one time I listened to Ihsahn's After but even then I didn't like the screeches. If he did all singing though...that'd be phenomenal. He'd probably be great in a better genre. Burzum, Mayhem and Venom made me ears bleed metaphorically, however. The insane amount of rawness they want also often detracts for me...I am unlike many where I like early 2000s alternative metal and current British metal style production over any other form.

Interesting you mention Immortal...they are one of few listenable black metal bands for me.

And agree to disagree or not, I've refined my library a lot. Used to listen to waaay too many bands.

I don't mind most black metal, the likes of Emperor, Satyricon and some early early Dimmu Borgir are decent enough, but people will always complain about the sub-genre's production. Venom never kept a consistent tempo, but Welcome To Hell and Black Metal are classics in the metal world.

Plus, Meshuggah are being plagiarised a lot by djent bands these days.

Dimmu’s first 3 albums are great IMO, even if the bm purists bash EDT it's one of the best albums of it's type. Lexington have you heard the 20 minute title track off “At War With Satan”?? I reckon it’s pretty great too.

SanityTheorist, I think we have different ideas on what constitutes enjoyable production.
Anyways, most ‘djent’ bands seem to be too based upon technicality and complexity just for the sake of being so. I’m not big on polyrhythms, syncopated and off time ‘chugging’ riffs or super clean sounding production in this specific context and it seems to be too rooted and have the same pitfalls as many prog bands do, or worse yet –core and/or groove influences at times. I can respect that they might be technically amazing musicians but this doesn’t mean that much to me.

RushKing, that song wasn't as bad as some others I've heard but it's still not really my thing. The production was too clean/controlled and it still seemed kind of lacking in emotion to me at least.

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17 Jan 2013, 7:38 pm

Black, death, nu, and anything else that involves just growling or screaming into the darn mic.

This comes from a fan of progressive, symphonic, power, traditional heavy, and alternative.

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17 Jan 2013, 8:09 pm

Philosoraptor, most "nu metal" is just early 2000s alternative metal. What are you referring to here?

Unloco, Flaw, Scars of Life, Dry Kill Logic and 40 Grit were all great.

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17 Jan 2013, 8:21 pm

SanityTheorist wrote:

Philosoraptor, most "nu metal" is just early 2000s alternative metal. What are you referring to here?

Unloco, Flaw, Scars of Life, Dry Kill Logic and 40 Grit were all great.

I suppose a better description for the "nu metal" I'm referring to is rap metal like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, etc. I haven't heard any of the bands you listed so I can't comment on them.

I like "alternative metal" that derives a lot of influence from grunge or related genres (e.g. Tool, Faith No More, System of a Down). I'm not an expert on metal classification so I am not exactly sure where one would place those bands.

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17 Jan 2013, 8:46 pm

Just making sure you were using "nu metal" correctly...I agree, but good bands get lumped in with the crap waaay too often.

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02 Feb 2013, 7:02 pm

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There was one time I listened to Ihsahn's After but even then I didn't like the screeches. If he did all singing though...that'd be phenomenal. He'd probably be great in a better genre. Burzum, Mayhem and Venom made me ears bleed metaphorically, however. The insane amount of rawness they want also often detracts for me...I am unlike many where I like early 2000s alternative metal and current British metal style production over any other form.
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Opethian growls are solemn and serious and all but when I want something outrageous and fun I put on Painkiller by Death. I dunno I like screeches. It might tie in with my fascination for voice acting.

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08 Jan 2018, 6:24 pm

LexingtonDeville wrote:

Uprising wrote:

Personally I'd say symphonic, goth, viking, folk, alternative, christian, glam, neo-classical, nu and power are the least favorite metal subgenres to me.

What are the worst metal subgenres to you?

Personally, i don't mind folk, power and gothic metal, but for me it's going to be nu-metal, metalcore, deathcore, porno/goregrind, drone metal and djent. The core side of metal is just badly performed plagiarism of the Gothenburg sound, while the death side appeals to scene kiddies.

Early metalcore has nothing to do with the Gothenburg sound. Bands like Converge, Earth Crisis, Cold as Life, Botch, Starkweather, Nostromo, etc have nothing to do with that sound and play straight-up hardcore punk/post-hardcore + extreme metal. And no, post-hardcore is not bands like SWS and PtV, it's bands like Minutemen and Fugazi. The style that ripped off that sound is melodic metalcore, which does not have much in common with the first wave.

Early deathcore is bands like Reprisal, The Red Chord, Abnegation, Antagony, etc. It's early metalcore + death metal. Later deathcore doesn't sound much like early deathcore. It's basically melodic metalcore with a larger emphasis on brutality.

Djent is just s**t.

Nu metal is bad, but there's some fun stuff.

Drone metal is absolutely amazing to me if it's not just a Sunn O))) rip-off. The Angelic Process and Jesu are two of my favorite bands.

And I don't know much about grind.

I recommend checking out early metalcore and deathcore, it's much less "scene" than the later styles.

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08 Jan 2018, 11:47 pm

Doom metal/Death metal/Black metal
These subgenres are what I consider satanic, and I avoid them like the plague.

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