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I think I'm getting it now. This is just advice and you can take it or leave it. Find what your co-workers are interested in and talk about that stuff. I know that Aspies are into video games, but none of my co-workers are. Women usually want to discuss their latest boyfriend, what they did on the weekend, their husbands and kids, vacations, hair, makeup and of course anything medical or nursing. I found out not to bring up politics. We talk about our pets alot - especially me with Waldo. They like showing pictures and videos on their phones of their kids, vacations, pets, friends. They talk about Facebook a lot. That kind of stuff. Some play games on their phones, but they rarely talk about what they are playing. Oh, I talk a lot about what I'm doing in school because a lot of nurses are going back now and also about work issues going on.
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Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
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Darn, I flunked.
I'm to embarssed to say exactly but it was pretty much about the way I wear my hair and my glasses affecting my looks in a negative way. One nurse startered it. Then, a CNA and another nurse agreed. Since then I no longer wear my glasses to work and have changed my hair.
I never gossip or insult others so I don't think they dislike the way I act. I'm actually not sure. I lack social awareness and tend not to notice social nuances until someone points them out to me directly.
Okay, I do notice they talk about Facebook and show pictures a lot. They talk about the stuff you mentioned including constant gossip about co workers. This is boring and foreign to me just like they think my video games are boring.
What I've never understood is the gossip thing. Lots of gossip and work place politics that I'm not a part of. I just started becoming aware of workplace social dynamics last year. There's a lot going on underneath the surface. It's so strange. This hidden stuff is really important. Sometimes I feel like I'm from Mars.
Participating in small talk helps. I've found you don't even have to talk, so much as encourage them to do so and continue to make sounds of attention, agreement, and appreciation. People who don't have to know me intimately think I'm the berries for that reason. Is it fake?? Hell, yes-- a lot of its fake for them too. They're doing it to interact, not to actually share thoughts and ideas.
Workplace politics-- ugh. Can't advise you there. In interpersonal politics, I tend to make sounds of polite indifference, implying that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
"Fixing yourself up" helps too. I'm almost always clean, to the point of being freshly showered, brushed, neatly dressed in clean clothes, shaved on any exposed parts expected to be hairless (I wear a lot of jeans and ankle-length skirts) and wearing deodorant when I leave the house.
I've caught huge amounts of crap (including having a nurse assume I was a drug addict when I showed up in the ER with a probable bowel obstruction and a panic attack) for going out in sweatpants.
I have found that a dab of eyeliner and mascara and a touch of blush, along with newish, well-fitted clothes (I'm a strict thrift-shop dresser in my 'real' life, for both ethical and budgetary reasons) and a couple pieces of jewelry (a necklace, say, to go along with the wedding ring I wear constantly and the Celtic knot ring that's been stuck on my right ring finger for three years now) make a world of difference in how I'm treated by people like medical professionals, teachers and school officials, and the general yuppie prats I encounter in the course of any shopping that can't be accomplished at SaveALot, Dollar General, Tractor Supply, or a rural WalMart. As opposed to less-than well-fitted worn-in jeans, an old t-shirt, and my ratty slides/muddy snow boots/husband'ratty old sneakers, no makeup, and no jewelry other than what I can't or won't voluntarily remove.
Perfume helps too, but I beg you to forgo that one as you are in a medical setting. Old people and sick people are as likely as (or more likely than) autistic people to be highly sensitive to smells. I put a little rose oil in my drawers to get out of wearing perfume. When I visit my grandmother, I make sure to wear clothes that have been washed and NOT pit back in my dresser because ANY scent makes her sick.
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"Alas, our dried voices when we whisper together are quiet and meaningless, as wind in dry grass, or rats' feet over broken glass in our dry cellar." --TS Eliot, "The Hollow Men"
Nursing is a very social profession. I should have never done this.
I know exactly what you mean. Whoever you are working with tells exactly how your shift is going to go. You need your co-workers especially if you have problems with certain patients - help lifting, or if you get behind, or if you run into a problem you aren't used to. You need a good rapport with your co-workers.
This is so very true. I remember getting behind at old jobs and no one would help. They would simply sit at the nurses station talking and laughing while I struggled to finish up. Only certain groups of co workers did this of course. It depended on who I was working with. You're right. I like working with certain groups of co workers more than others. This job is so social.
I will tell you right now LOL:
I'm not one of those guys who like women with the fake nails, etc. I find that these sorts of women look like "circus clowns," to quote my wife.
I feel the best way to make up yourself is to do it subtly. A little eye shadow. A little lipstick....and that's it.
But always make sure your hair is shiny-clean, and that you are clean all over.
One told me that she liked my hair a different way from how I wear it most of the time. You know what I did? I said "that's too bad" and I kept wearing it the way she said wasn't her favorite!
I find different strange ways to wear my hair and I actually get more compliments. Whatever. I have this "snood" that I got from Victorian Trading Co. It's something they wore back in the Victorian Era. I got more compliments from that than anything so far - patients and co - workers. I saw one co - worker one day even wearing one! I didn't know what to say about that. Another one is an updo that I do with a special clip and a patient thought I looked like Flo from that insurance commercial! They thought it was a hoot. Whatever makes the patients laugh.
I wear my eyeliner really different too. I use liquid eyeliner. Nurses that I worked with at my present and past job wanted to know how I did it. It's kinda like a cat eye. Then they started doing it!
I can't figure people out.
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I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
Workplace politics-- ugh. Can't advise you there. In interpersonal politics, I tend to make sounds of polite indifference, implying that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
"Fixing yourself up" helps too. I'm almost always clean, to the point of being freshly showered, brushed, neatly dressed in clean clothes, shaved on any exposed parts expected to be hairless (I wear a lot of jeans and ankle-length skirts) and wearing deodorant when I leave the house.
I've caught huge amounts of crap (including having a nurse assume I was a drug addict when I showed up in the ER with a probable bowel obstruction and a panic attack) for going out in sweatpants.
I have found that a dab of eyeliner and mascara and a touch of blush, along with newish, well-fitted clothes (I'm a strict thrift-shop dresser in my 'real' life, for both ethical and budgetary reasons) and a couple pieces of jewelry (a necklace, say, to go along with the wedding ring I wear constantly and the Celtic knot ring that's been stuck on my right ring finger for three years now) make a world of difference in how I'm treated by people like medical professionals, teachers and school officials, and the general yuppie prats I encounter in the course of any shopping that can't be accomplished at SaveALot, Dollar General, Tractor Supply, or a rural WalMart. As opposed to less-than well-fitted worn-in jeans, an old t-shirt, and my ratty slides/muddy snow boots/husband'ratty old sneakers, no makeup, and no jewelry other than what I can't or won't voluntarily remove.
Perfume helps too, but I beg you to forgo that one as you are in a medical setting. Old people and sick people are as likely as (or more likely than) autistic people to be highly sensitive to smells. I put a little rose oil in my drawers to get out of wearing perfume. When I visit my grandmother, I make sure to wear clothes that have been washed and NOT pit back in my dresser because ANY scent makes her sick.
Thank you for the advice . I shower everyday and wear deodorant that is very mild smelling or scentless. I don't wear perfume due to sensory issues. I don't wear my wedding ring often due to sensory issues.
Lately I've been wearing loose casual sundresses with shorts underneath because the dresses are short and I worry about them blowing up and showing everything. I do try to avoid jeans and t shirts now.
There's so much involved with being a woman. So many rules.
Okay, I do notice they talk about Facebook and show pictures a lot. They talk about the stuff you mentioned including constant gossip about co workers. This is boring and foreign to me just like they think my video games are boring.
What I've never understood is the gossip thing. Lots of gossip and work place politics that I'm not a part of. I just started becoming aware of workplace social dynamics last year. There's a lot going on underneath the surface. It's so strange. This hidden stuff is really important. Sometimes I feel like I'm from Mars.
I see the gossip thing as important. Not to spread rumors. I use gossip to learn who the hell I'm working with. A lot of gossip has told me who I can and cannot trust. I hear things about the hospital, my boss, what other co-workers have said or done (what they have said about me). If a co-worker gossips to you, you can be pretty sure anything you say will be gossiped to someone else. Gossip can be very interesting.
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
Could someone explain the gossip thing to me? I assume if someone is talking badly about a person that they dislike the person but I see this isn't true---at least with women. Why do women (or men) talk badly about others behind their backs but smile and pretend that they are buddies face to face? This makes me uncomfortable. This is more social code I don't participate in or understand. I thing gossip is a part of the bonding process for women.
All of this stuff is so boring to me.
Okay, I do notice they talk about Facebook and show pictures a lot. They talk about the stuff you mentioned including constant gossip about co workers. This is boring and foreign to me just like they think my video games are boring.
What I've never understood is the gossip thing. Lots of gossip and work place politics that I'm not a part of. I just started becoming aware of workplace social dynamics last year. There's a lot going on underneath the surface. It's so strange. This hidden stuff is really important. Sometimes I feel like I'm from Mars.
I see the gossip thing as important. Not to spread rumors. I use gossip to learn who the hell I'm working with. A lot of gossip has told me who I can and cannot trust. I hear things about the hospital, my boss, what other co-workers have said or done (what they have said about me). If a co-worker gossips to you, you can be pretty sure anything you say will be gossiped to someone else. Gossip can be very interesting.
Okay. But I've had rumors spreads about me that weren't true. A co worker at my old job used to tell me what others were saying about me even though I never asked her. Knowing all of the bad stuff people were saying about me made me want to socialize even less. All gossip isn't true. I hate gossip but it seems like neurotypical women love it. Why were these same people that were gossiping at me smiling in my face and acting nice to me when we interacted? Also, why were they saying bad stuff about me in the first place because I never ever ever ever ever said anything bad about them?
Workplace politics-- ugh. Can't advise you there. In interpersonal politics, I tend to make sounds of polite indifference, implying that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
"Fixing yourself up" helps too. I'm almost always clean, to the point of being freshly showered, brushed, neatly dressed in clean clothes, shaved on any exposed parts expected to be hairless (I wear a lot of jeans and ankle-length skirts) and wearing deodorant when I leave the house.
I've caught huge amounts of crap (including having a nurse assume I was a drug addict when I showed up in the ER with a probable bowel obstruction and a panic attack) for going out in sweatpants.
I have found that a dab of eyeliner and mascara and a touch of blush, along with newish, well-fitted clothes (I'm a strict thrift-shop dresser in my 'real' life, for both ethical and budgetary reasons) and a couple pieces of jewelry (a necklace, say, to go along with the wedding ring I wear constantly and the Celtic knot ring that's been stuck on my right ring finger for three years now) make a world of difference in how I'm treated by people like medical professionals, teachers and school officials, and the general yuppie prats I encounter in the course of any shopping that can't be accomplished at SaveALot, Dollar General, Tractor Supply, or a rural WalMart. As opposed to less-than well-fitted worn-in jeans, an old t-shirt, and my ratty slides/muddy snow boots/husband'ratty old sneakers, no makeup, and no jewelry other than what I can't or won't voluntarily remove.
Perfume helps too, but I beg you to forgo that one as you are in a medical setting. Old people and sick people are as likely as (or more likely than) autistic people to be highly sensitive to smells. I put a little rose oil in my drawers to get out of wearing perfume. When I visit my grandmother, I make sure to wear clothes that have been washed and NOT pit back in my dresser because ANY scent makes her sick.
Thank you for the advice . I shower everyday and wear deodorant that is very mild smelling or scentless. I don't wear perfume due to sensory issues. I don't wear my wedding ring often due to sensory issues.
Lately I've been wearing loose casual sundresses with shorts underneath because the dresses are short and I worry about them blowing up and showing everything. I do try to avoid jeans and t shirts now.
There's so much involved with being a woman. So many rules.
A great smell to use at a hospital is the bath and body stuff - Philosophy. I use "Pure Grace". I'm allergic to perfumes.
I'll tell you what happened. We were in a code blue and the family was in the room while I was running past them several times. The patient survived, but at the end I went past this family member and he said "So you're the one wearing that really good smelling scent". I tell you - GET PURE GRACE! If my smell was on someone's mind while a code was going on, then I want a keg of that stuff! I immediately went onto QVC and bought a vat! (actually several)

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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
Thank you for all of the responses everyone. Navigating the social world is like reading a book in a language that I don't understand. So many many many rules. Wow. There are so many nuances that neurotypicals automatically pick up on and take for granted. There's a lot. Going to work involves much more than doing your job...
Back in the 90's there was a trend for really matte, dry lips in berry tones -- I used to apply a wine or berry lipstick then blot it with tissue and press a microscopic amount of face powder on the lips to set the color. It would leave a "stain" effect of color rather than a big mess of greasy lipstick. That lasted all day! It might work on lighter colored lipsticks, I'm not sure. Anytime you blot a lipstick it helps the color set into the lip and last longer.
But like I say, if you don't want to do lips or an eye pencil that's cool too.
It's hot now in my area, but I will try eyeliner and a light lip balm later this year when the weather cools. Thank you for the advice.
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I've formed quite the opposite opinion of gossip: I find that gossip is almost always inaccurate, exaggerated and usually a mean spirited distortion of any sliver of truth, rather than a reliable way to find out anything about anyone. I can't emphasize enough how strongly this has been my experience. The last person in the world I would trust to educate me on REAL information about another person/third party would be a gossip.
In my experience, the substance of gossip regarding things said about someone is of what we used to call the "Chinese whispers" variety. The first person might say to the second person "Bird in Flight is into birds, like wildlife type birds, and has some toy ones too." The second person will tell the third person "Bird in Flight collects birds, I think toy ones but I'm not sure." The third person will tell the fourth person: "That Bird in Flight has lots of pet birds." The fourth person will tell the fifth person "Bird in Flight is one of those pet hoarders and I hear that the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is about to raid her home and remove 50 sick parrots!"
Gossip about other people is nearly always a distortion.
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Okay, I do notice they talk about Facebook and show pictures a lot. They talk about the stuff you mentioned including constant gossip about co workers. This is boring and foreign to me just like they think my video games are boring.
What I've never understood is the gossip thing. Lots of gossip and work place politics that I'm not a part of. I just started becoming aware of workplace social dynamics last year. There's a lot going on underneath the surface. It's so strange. This hidden stuff is really important. Sometimes I feel like I'm from Mars.
I see the gossip thing as important. Not to spread rumors. I use gossip to learn who the hell I'm working with. A lot of gossip has told me who I can and cannot trust. I hear things about the hospital, my boss, what other co-workers have said or done (what they have said about me). If a co-worker gossips to you, you can be pretty sure anything you say will be gossiped to someone else. Gossip can be very interesting.
Okay. But I've had rumors spreads about me that weren't true. A co worker at my old job used to tell me what others were saying about me even though I never asked her. Knowing all of the bad stuff people were saying about me made me want to socialize even less. All gossip isn't true. I hate gossip but it seems like neurotypical women love it. Why were these same people that were gossiping at me smiling in my face and acting nice to me when we interacted? Also, why were they saying bad stuff about me in the first place because I never ever ever ever ever said anything bad about them?
The ones talking behind your back and smiling at your front are known as backstabbers. If they are doing that, it means they don't like you for whatever reason. The co-worker telling you what the others were saying may have been trying to help. I have a friend at work that I'm pretty close too and trust and she will tell me if someone says anything negative about me. Then I know who I can't trust.
Gossip can be fun. The last time I actually gossiped was when a woman coworker told me she liked a guy nurse we work with. I did tell her though that I wanted to tell him and it ended with all of us laughing.He blushed and got a kick out of it. A lot of gossip is about guys actually.
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.