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No, it launched with two SKUs. The majority of it's existence in the U.S. you've been able to get it for $500.




Do you mind giving evidence for my so-called fanboyism? Any rational look at this thread would show I'm not the fanboy here. I frankly do not even understand them, or what they think they're getting by promoting their "team" (but then I also feel no emotional connection to team sports either...so, hmm...)

I specified the other platforms were the 360 and PC because they're also fairly expensive-pretty much in the same price range. They're the two other platforms that are going to share a large portion of the PS3's library. You can't expect to get the same games on a Wii, or Playstation 2, etc.

You're the one who said something to the effect that you could play the PS3's library on cheaper platforms-I'm pointing out that, no, you really can't. Not much cheaper anyway.

I got my XBOX 360 for $299 and it came with One Controller and Perfect Dark-Zero.
Yes and it was from EB Games. The WII also only costs $249.

The PS3, $500 for the low-end deal, $600 for the bigger bundle.

Being a fanboy is sticking up for that particular company or system. For Example
i`m a Nintendio and Microsoft fanboy who didn`t just get into gaming when it became
cool like all those GTA fans.

There's nothing wrong with being a fanboy, as long as it's a rational position.

For that, I side with Sony.

The 360 essentially costs $400-480. If you buy the $300 model, you're stuck paying $100 for a hard drive and $30-40 for component cables. $480 right now if you want HDMI-which you probably do if you've got a newer TV. That $300 price tag is a red herring of sorts, hence the colorful "'tard pack" moniker.

Equipping a PC to be a gaming PC is going to cost a similar amount of money. The Playstation 3 might be (arguably) the most expensive of the solutions, but all three are pretty close in price. The Wii isn't part of this comparison, as you're not going to be playing the PS3's library on it-not much crossover between it and and the 360/PS3/PC. (Note that I'm not saying that the Wii isn't a valid system, just that you can't make the claim you don't need a PS3 because you can play most of it's games on the Wii-because that just isn't true.)



Well, I'm no fanboy at all. I think being a fanboy means irrationally supporting a company, not just that you enjoy games they publish (or in my case correcting misinformation). I guess otherwise I'd be a fanboy for all three companies

What's wrong with supporting Sony when Microsoft's made a failbox, and Nintendo's made the Wii, which isn't my sort of thing?

There is nothing wrong with that what when people say that all others suck is
what i hate. These people who only got into gaming because of Grand Theft Auto
and 3-D FPS`s. I was a gamer when it all started off with Pong. I started to play
them as they gotten better and better. I do like the Playstation and PS2 but a
don`t like the PS3 because i think it is a over priced novelty.

Overpriced novelty? It's expensive, and ask yourself this-

Does one want an eventual "red ring of death"/disc scratching, or reliability and quality?

I stuck with Sony because they delivered what I wanted, a dependable next generation console, at a more reasonable price compared to what you get with the others. I'd much rather have fewer launch games and reliability at a higher price, than something with an estimated 33% failure rate, but more games, for £150 less. Why people stick with the X360 is a mystery.

I don`t know about Microsoft products because of failures like Windows Me and Vista
but Nintenio has never failed me. Nintendio may be behind in hardware and graphics
but the games don`t take 2 minutes to load. The games are fun and long. Nintendio
games also don`t glitch as much.

nintendo actually cares about their games not being buggy...which is why third party support is normally so thin for their systems....it's costly to have to submit and resubmit games for a final examination.


sony...pretty much if it'll run most of the time, they'll let it through.


sony has horrible quality control as far as that goes...and it's another reason why i can't justify supporting them....their quality controls suck. xbox is much more on top of things.


as far as the scratching thing...the only failures i heard of in the US were hard disk failures....not disk reader.

Right on dude, you actually care that the video game doesn`t clitch. Been with Nintendio since Donkey Kong and Microsoft since Windows 3.0. Sony only came
out with a few good titles like Castlevania:Symphony Of The Night and Spyro the
dragon.

did konami give up on castlevania?

i've been out of the loop on the castlevania series since VI.

No in fact they are coming out with a new one for the PSP this year.
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I hate when people randomly bash stuff too, which is why I've been stuck correcting stuff in this thread. Not sure how you think the PS3 is a novelty though. Overpriced, maybe (though not terribly compared to the 360 or PC), but a novelty? The PS3 is just about exactly what you'd expect from a next gen system, the furthest thing from a novelty design.



WHERE ARE YOU COMING UP WITH THIS STUFF?!? Seriously, this whole thread you say stuff like this that just isn't true.

Nintendo does a pretty decent job at testing third party games, but it's no better than what Sony does. Both companies have let problems slip through, and actually recently I've seen more problems with games on Nintendo's systems. Both Sigma Star Story and the new Card Fighters have bugs that make the games difficult or impossible to finish. Puzzle Fighter on both the DS and PSP has some major bugs in it, though in both cases you can beat the game.

Microsoft's been the worst by far, with crash bugs or other strange errors in numerous 360 games, and even some games failing to read right-it's possible these bugs are a combination of hardware and software flaws though.

The second half of that is ALSO false. The reason Nintendo's third party support was bad had nothing at all to do with their approval process (which is no more rigorous than Sony's)-it's because they sold the fewest systems, and software often sold proportionally less than it would have on the Playstation 2, and tended to skew younger than the other two systems. All three of those factors meant the Gamecube got less software support than the other two consoles, and was often left out, especially towards the end. One former developer actually said his company's Gamecube porting devision consisted of two guys.

All of THAT is why the Gamecube got generally worse third party support (with some notable exceptions). That has nothing what so ever to do with an approval process.



As stated above, this is completely bogus.



And again I have to ask, where are you getting this information? The disc scratching on the 360 has been well documented for over a year and a half! As have all the other, even more common hardware failures. Microsoft has even admitted they have a serious problem, and that the basic hardware design is at fault, not the manufacturing process. There have NOT been any widespread issues with 360 hard drives. I'm sure some are faulty, but as far as anyone knows, it's within the normal failure rate (some drives will just be bad).

my experience as a game tester.


you do have a point with units sold...but there's a reluctance beyond simply numbers sold. nintendo by far has the highest rejection rate for games submitted. this is a fact. the only reason why the others have been cranked lately is because they've been re-defining and tuning standards.





that's simple. it's not a bug if you suck and crappy level design is not a bug...it's just poor design. sometimes you can suggest they change it and they will and other times they won't either because they want it to be that hard or because it'd cause too many other problems. obviously you don't know what a bug is....let me demonstrate an extremely low level bug...


[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=WEHXpzcQto0[/youtube]


you see how the arm goes backwards....that's a bug. it's a low-level bug because it has no impact on game play...it just kinda looks bad.


more often than not...if you think you have a gameplay bug...it's normally just that you suck and want something to happen.

No, both of those games have game stopping bugs that make them impossible or essentially impossible to complete. Card Fighters was actually recalled. I can't buy it, since the new copies aren't marked any differently on the outside (and took months to come out).

Though I'm sure they exist, I haven't seen one crash bug in a game on a Sony system. If anything it seems like Nintendo's quality standards have been slipping (though I suspect it's just coincidence that a few major bugs have gotten through recently).

At any rate, there's no question the 360 has the most buggy, unstable library. Though part of that may just be the frequently defective hardware making the software look bad. It's also a pretty huge claim to make that Nintendo's standards are somehow different than Sony's.

And you're just wrong that that has anything to do with Nintendo's poor third party support on the Gamecube, even if it were the case.