I want to write a story about the Nazi camps

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20 Jul 2019, 12:40 pm

I don't think it's mean, unless you are willing to make every detail line up with facts you shouldn't write about such a sensitive topic.


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20 Jul 2019, 12:57 pm

Well I don't think The boy in the striped pajamas was based on a story of Holocaust survivors. One or two facts in that story are a little skewed apparently, but I love that book and the movie, and so do a lot of people I know.

But if it's wrong for a nobody like me to write a story on the Holocaust then I won't do it. I'll stick to writing the story about my cat that I started.


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20 Jul 2019, 5:11 pm

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I hope this does not come off mean...

But why exactly do you want to write this story? I mean there actually already are good historical novels on the holocaust that are based on real experiences people had. I mean do you think there was something missing from those that you can add to?

I guess just curious why you are so set on having to write a story about the holocaust, when there are already accounts from actual survivors and authors who did heavy research including talking to real people who survived or their relatives. So just not sure its a great idea to essentially make your own re-write of those...

I think if you went with your original story idea in a different setting that would be more likely to get you fans who'd want to buy your books.

I think if you proceed with the holocaust story it might not get the reaction you hope for. I kind of think to even have a chance of it being received well you would have to do really extensive research first are you really up for that? I mean not just searching countless hours on the internet or going to a library to read books...you'd have to contact holocaust survivors or their relatives get permission to incorporate their stories into your book, you'd have to learn a lot about jewish culture and beliefs so your characters are convincing, you'd have to learn about all the different death camps, their names, where they were located and much more.


Though the inmates weren't all Jewish. It might be easier to write about characters belonging to other ethnicity, religion, sexuality, or political affiliation who the Nazis had it out for.


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20 Jul 2019, 11:27 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Well I don't think The boy in the striped pajamas was based on a story of Holocaust survivors. One or two facts in that story are a little skewed apparently, but I love that book and the movie, and so do a lot of people I know.

But if it's wrong for a nobody like me to write a story on the Holocaust then I won't do it. I'll stick to writing the story about my cat that I started.


I just think it's a very sensitive topic because of how many people it affected.


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21 Jul 2019, 6:05 pm

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Oh Great! Look what you've done now Joe , you've brought a holocaust denier to the forum , or you've made a member here create a sock puppet :roll:


Self righteous indignation and assumption of facts not in evidence is one approach, but that's your choice of course :jester:

As we're all free to share our points of view :idea:


I know this is going to derail the thread, but please explain what you meant by, "assumption of facts not in evidence?" Is that to mean the Holocaust doesn't have facts backing it up?


Not at all derailing, in fact, I wish more people asked clarifying questions instead of filling in the blanks with their own assumptions.

And that explains my last reply to SaveFerris, as he suggested that I'm a denier without evidence to support the accusation.

All I posted earlier was a link/URL to a video collection of well researched and validated facts from that period of history.

If people don't want to research with an open mind (which is how this thread started with a question about research).

Sure, because we're all free to make our own choices and I'm not here to change hearts/minds.

But will share my experience, as this is a forum after all :)


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21 Jul 2019, 6:11 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
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Oh Great! Look what you've done now Joe , you've brought a holocaust denier to the forum , or you've made a member here create a sock puppet :roll:


Self righteous indignation and assumption of facts not in evidence is one approach, but that's your choice of course :jester:

As we're all free to share our points of view :idea:


I know this is going to derail the thread, but please explain what you meant by, "assumption of facts not in evidence?" Is that to mean the Holocaust doesn't have facts backing it up?



probably , I believe the mockumentary cited claims there is no real evidence for the holocaust :lol:


I'm going to follow my own advice and ask a clarifying question on the current subject.

Have you actually watched the entire six or so hours of that collection, please?


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21 Jul 2019, 6:33 pm

TheStigOnline wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TheStigOnline wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Oh Great! Look what you've done now Joe , you've brought a holocaust denier to the forum , or you've made a member here create a sock puppet :roll:


Self righteous indignation and assumption of facts not in evidence is one approach, but that's your choice of course :jester:

As we're all free to share our points of view :idea:


I know this is going to derail the thread, but please explain what you meant by, "assumption of facts not in evidence?" Is that to mean the Holocaust doesn't have facts backing it up?



probably , I believe the mockumentary cited claims there is no real evidence for the holocaust :lol:


I'm going to follow my own advice and ask a clarifying question on the current subject.

Have you actually watched the entire six or so hours of that collection, please?


No

but I've read Debunking "Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told" and https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dennis_Wise

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Luckily there have been a few people which have debunked this "documentary", one imgur user SirAaronRichards has written post called "Debunking Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told" refuting each claim the movie made.[3] Sergey Romanov from the Holocaust Controversies blog debunked the Holocaust-related part.[4] Another example is the Reddit's Ask Historians page on the film by users DeSoullis and gingerkid1234[5] and ShitWehabroosSay user CommanderSection also took apart the film and debunked/put additional parts the film either claimed or left out in addition to the comment section of the film on YouTube.[6] A debunking of the documentary in video format can also be found on YouTube.[7]


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21 Jul 2019, 7:35 pm

TheStigOnline wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TheStigOnline wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Oh Great! Look what you've done now Joe , you've brought a holocaust denier to the forum , or you've made a member here create a sock puppet :roll:


Self righteous indignation and assumption of facts not in evidence is one approach, but that's your choice of course :jester:

As we're all free to share our points of view :idea:


I know this is going to derail the thread, but please explain what you meant by, "assumption of facts not in evidence?" Is that to mean the Holocaust doesn't have facts backing it up?


Not at all derailing, in fact, I wish more people asked clarifying questions instead of filling in the blanks with their own assumptions.

And that explains my last reply to SaveFerris, as he suggested that I'm a denier without evidence to support the accusation.

All I posted earlier was a link/URL to a video collection of well researched and validated facts from that period of history.

If people don't want to research with an open mind (which is how this thread started with a question about research).

Sure, because we're all free to make our own choices and I'm not here to change hearts/minds.

But will share my experience, as this is a forum after all :)


For the record, we have not only the testimony of the camp survivors to the actuality of the Holocaust, but also that of Allied soldiers who had liberated the camps, and even that of SS personnel who ran the camps.


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21 Jul 2019, 7:49 pm

I think you are better off talking to Holocaust survivors. It's a matter of seeking them out on forums. Also trying looking them up too and see if you can contact any of them, some of them are speakers about it.

Also the Jewish people didn't all of a sudden get lured out of their home. It started out with being segregated and having curfews and having to wear a star on their chest. Then they got lured into a ghetto, they all had to leave their homes and move to an area that was more run down and live there. They couldn't leave that spot either. Then they all of a sudden were told they had to pack their bags and bring what they can only take in their hands and they were taken to a train station and put on a train. None of them knew where they were going. Some of them obviously knew something bad was happening because they went into hiding and some would have their kids go live with other people posing them as their own children. And of course, before any of this got any worse, they fled EU and went off to the US as refugees because they knew something bad was going to happen and they couldn't trust Hitler.

You can also read memoir books written by survivors. It's a matter of reading books on this.


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21 Jul 2019, 7:57 pm

Joe90 wrote:
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Oh Great! Look what you've done now Joe , you've brought a holocaust denier to the forum , or you've made a member here create a sock puppet :roll:


Huh? :?



I think he was being sarcastic. He wasn't blaming you. He always has a sense of humor in his posts.


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22 Jul 2019, 3:11 am

League_Girl wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
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Oh Great! Look what you've done now Joe , you've brought a holocaust denier to the forum , or you've made a member here create a sock puppet :roll:


Huh? :?



I think he was being sarcastic. He wasn't blaming you. He always has a sense of humor in his posts.


I know, if he used a different emoticon I would have got it.


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11 Aug 2019, 8:04 pm

I would say do a search on books on amazon.co.uk as i am sure people have written their stories there.

Perhaps even visit some of the historical sites. There are a number around the world.
Even some in the Channel Islands.

There is a massive network of WW2 bunkers in Jersey, and the other channel islands.
Alderney also had a small concentration camp there, where some of the workers who built the bunkers
were sent (from what i can remember, not sure if those details are completely accurate. Although i do know there
was definitely a concentration camp of sorts there).

As for survivors, i think that there can't be too many left. Although there may be museums in some of these places.
I know there is several exhibits at some of the museums in Jersey that house survivors stories of the occupation, from an islanders perspective. These weren't people who were sent to the concentration camps however, but people who
were living in the island when the German Soldiers and their Nazi leaders showed up and took over.

I also know one or two people who are children of some of the soldiers who occupied Jersey, who had children.
One of my friends who also has Autism, his uncle was in the SS, and his father just a normal German soldier.

I am not a neo nazi or sympathiser. He isn't either, although he is quiet interested in WW2, i guess to understand where he comes from. He isn't into hurting innocent people based on race though thank goodness.

Lastly, i recently did read about Hans Asperger and his work at one of the WW2 nazi hospitals.
Hans Asperger is portrayed as the saviour of kids with autism, however, apparently records and witness testimony from the time tell a different story, in that quiet a high number of kids with autism did end up being given involuntary lethal injections and then their deaths were written off as "Pneumonia" etc.

Apparently the parents were told that their kids needed to go to hospital for treatment, to cure them.
But at some point, some of the parents started to realise that the kids weren't coming home and tried to
rescue the kids, asking for them to be returned but without results.

So.. in many ways i am pleased that we no longer have Hans Asperger's name to our disorder.
After all, he did also classify us as "Autistic sociopaths"... Yere. thanks Doctor. I think i shall ask for a second opinion.



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13 Aug 2019, 6:54 pm

Why do you have to write from the perspective of a Jewish person? Jews represent the biggest number of people killed. But there were several other groups targeted before the Jews. Can you related more from personal experience as a disabled person or as a Jewish person for starters?



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13 Aug 2019, 9:08 pm

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Why do you have to write from the perspective of a Jewish person? Jews represent the biggest number of people killed. But there were several other groups targeted before the Jews. Can you related more from personal experience as a disabled person or as a Jewish person for starters?


There are also those countries invaded and those that had to hide, maybe write from the perspective of say someone similar to Anne Frank.


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17 Aug 2019, 12:43 pm

I've gone off the idea now, sorry.

I've now started writing a story about a girl with Asperger's that starts secondary school, and is awkward with fitting in and making friends. She is as non-stereotypical as possible, as her symptoms are complex. She is chatty, idealistic and has a sense of humour.


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18 Aug 2019, 11:57 am

Joe90 wrote:
I've gone off the idea now, sorry.

I've now started writing a story about a girl with Asperger's that starts secondary school, and is awkward with fitting in and making friends. She is as non-stereotypical as possible, as her symptoms are complex. She is chatty, idealistic and has a sense of humour.


At least no one can say that you don't know what you're talking about with that one since you have personal experience on the matter. :)