Struggling with hating myself for being weird
I'm at such an emotionally low point these last few weeks because at 26 years old, I still haven't established a solid definition of "normal" when it comes to society, my peers and pop culture. I grew up with dark, mystical, fantasy, supernatural content. I'm one of those people who give off "witchy" vibes. I started listening to My Chemical Romance before I started middle school. I've been in the Supernatural, Teen Wolf, Vampire Diaries etc. fandoms. All of this was normal to me. What's great about the internet is that you can find and connect with others "like you", who share your interests. And I did for a while, but times have changed. Now, everything's been flipped upside down with purity culture. Are we, as a society, regressing to Puritanism? Is "dark" content considered off-limits now? I'm finding that people who are into the same things I am are dying out and becoming harder to find, unless that's become morally not kosher and I didn't get the memo. I resent purity policing and cancel culture because of how much it's changed things and it's almost like I'm experiencing culture shock. We have censorship, fierce and cutthroat social justice and it's so difficult to discern what's okay and what's not anymore. I expressed this to my mother, who knows I'm on the spectrum but it still behooves her that I don't act or function the way she thinks I ought to and my neurodivergence annoys her so she has little compassion to spare and I don't know why I bother. I should just give up and stop trying to get her to understand me because if she hasn't for 26 years, she never will. But I feel like I can't connect with any of my peers. Older adults, absolutely, but if I try vibing with people my own age, I'm the odd one out and ostracized or shunned and it's obvious but I feel like there's this unspoken secret to the universe that people are consciously not letting me in on and it's so distressing and even crushing and hurtful. I thought I didn't care what people think and loved myself, always did my own thing but is it my interests that are too eccentric and stupid? Does nobody care about the things that I like? I thought it was easier to make friends and socialize on the internet because it's much more vast and surely there are fandom communities like stan twitter etc., and I spent the last several years of my life RPing on Tumblr but now I can't even get people to write with me and my friends are ghosting me for no reason and it feels like I'm being punished for having done something wrong and I can't figure it out or "guess". I've never done well with the silent treatment. Is it me? Am I simply too weird? And if that's the case, I hate it because I can't change no matter how hard I try. I've gone through the whole masking deal in high school, faked several identities and bounced from clique to clique craving some sense of belonging even with the most toxic teens who were never my friends, dressed in their clothes and listened to their music even though it wasn't me and I didn't like it just to see if things would change and that never worked out, so I'm exhausted and stopped trying to "be normal" a long time ago. They still sense my neurodivergence and react to me like I'm gross or have some disease, and now it's even on the internet where I can truly be myself and that's extra insulting. It just hurts wondering if I'm so far removed from what's considered socially acceptable in ways that I can't help and I'm just so sad because of it. All I want to do is cry.
What kinds of interests are considered "normal"? I like bands (mostly 80's rock), Stranger Things, Supernatural, mythology, ancient history and art, poetry and fashion. I don't like TikToks or KPop or whatever else people are consuming, but just how "weird" am I? I don't want to be alone. I'm tired of it and not being able to connect with my peers because I'm different. I know that's inevitable when I have Asperger's, but I'm just... so sad and heartbroken over it. I just feel like sobbing my eyes out. Does anyone else ever break down and get this way?
Apart from the dark side and music you describe. I can totally relate to you and I found out this would be common place for many of us here on WP. I used to feel totally lost and often asked things that I was certain that I was the only person to feel a certain way, I'm not sure if it's my lack of social understand and the dynamics that come with it or my ability to as you said mask yourself for acceptance which I did and often it's an easy option but it isn't sustainable and takes a lot of energy. People on here care, I care. So please don't feel alone in how you feel.
There are a few words that absolutely trigger me if said to me, and it is not normal. I wish I could learn to be more mindful about it but I can't. If these words are said to me, it keeps repeating over and over in my mind and just sparks off anger and offense. But these are words that are part of our general language vocabulary so getting upset when they are said to me is pretty weird and daft. It's a bit like getting upset whenever someone says the word "the". Maybe I should dig the CBT books I have back out and see if I can use them to change the way I think, so that I can be normal about these certain words being said to me instead of getting immensely offended.
The things I hate are being told to sshh, being told to stop moaning and receiving age-related criticism.
So if someone said all 3 to me in one sentence, such as, "sshh! Stop moaning, you're like a little kid!", it might be like throwing fuel on to a fire.
But this is most definitely not fair on other people to have to basically have a list of things they can and cannot say to me to keep the peace. That is just wrong of me and I seriously need to deal with my problem. It's not them, it's me.
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The things I hate are being told to sshh, being told to stop moaning and receiving age-related criticism.
So if someone said all 3 to me in one sentence, such as, "sshh! Stop moaning, you're like a little kid!", it might be like throwing fuel on to a fire.
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
But this is most definitely not fair on other people to have to basically have a list of things they can and cannot say to me to keep the peace. That is just wrong of me and I seriously need to deal with my problem. It's not them, it's me.
Hope the cbt books help you , I am still using some of those techniques taught to me in a class over 4. Yrs ago.
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The things I hate are being told to sshh, being told to stop moaning and receiving age-related criticism.
So if someone said all 3 to me in one sentence, such as, "sshh! Stop moaning, you're like a little kid!", it might be like throwing fuel on to a fire.
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
But this is most definitely not fair on other people to have to basically have a list of things they can and cannot say to me to keep the peace. That is just wrong of me and I seriously need to deal with my problem. It's not them, it's me.
So, what if said to you now: "Sshh! Stop moaning, you're like a little kid!"
Anything?
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It is totally unproductive, and it isn't going to change anything for the better.
You still have to live your life regardless if you have a daggy self-opinion, or you embrace the bliss of Pepe type self-appreciation.
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Would that I could just shut it off to live in Nirvana-level self-love.
Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the underlying source of all of the sentiments expressed in this thread caring about what others think? Not caring would be awesome, but then there would be no motivating interest to connect with people, no? Isn’t weirdness identified by people outside of yourself anyway? I’m not too weird for MYSELF
Self-love is awesome, and no, I'm not referring only to the obvious.
RuPaul has a saying, "If you can't love yourself, how the hell are you going to love anyone else?"
I figure that is job #1 we have each and every day. We must choose to
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Indubitably.
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It is totally unproductive, and it isn't going to change anything for the better.
You still have to live your life regardless if you have a daggy self-opinion, or you embrace the bliss of Pepe type self-appreciation.
![Cool 8)](./images/smilies/icon_cool.gif)
Would that I could just shut it off to live in Nirvana-level self-love.
Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the underlying source of all of the sentiments expressed in this thread caring about what others think? Not caring would be awesome, but then there would be no motivating interest to connect with people, no? Isn’t weirdness identified by people outside of yourself anyway? I’m not too weird for MYSELF
Well, my main motivation is focused on self-development, so I guess I'm a bit different from a lot of people.
Let us dig a little deeper, into what is happening here.
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We are all indoctrinated with rubbish, during childhood. Even the best parents don't get is all right.
Too many variables.
This lack of self-appreciation comes from somewhere.
How can it be anything other than our own community, parents included?
And who makes the rules who is, or isn't worthy?
Predominantly, the people around us are the ones who feed/provide our negative self-image but are we also doing this to ourselves?
Where/what is the benchmark that we measure ourselves against?
A lot has to do with self and other's expectations.
I'd be interested in examining how realistic and useful the goals of other people are to us, for a start, and jettison the garbage.
Then there are our own considerations to, errr, consider.
But that is for another day.
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The things I hate are being told to sshh, being told to stop moaning and receiving age-related criticism.
So if someone said all 3 to me in one sentence, such as, "sshh! Stop moaning, you're like a little kid!", it might be like throwing fuel on to a fire.
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
But this is most definitely not fair on other people to have to basically have a list of things they can and cannot say to me to keep the peace. That is just wrong of me and I seriously need to deal with my problem. It's not them, it's me.
You should try being called a spastic s**t c**t ret*d f**kwit on basically a daily basis for a few years and imagine the psychological damage this does to anyone. NT's included.. let alone someone who's Autistic. I'm surprised I'm still breathing. When death comes knocking I'll be the first to open the door to welcome it!
![Skull :skull:](./images/smilies/icon_skull.gif)
![Evil or Very Mad :evil:](./images/smilies/icon_evil.gif)
![Crying or Very sad :cry:](./images/smilies/icon_cry.gif)
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The things I hate are being told to sshh, being told to stop moaning and receiving age-related criticism.
So if someone said all 3 to me in one sentence, such as, "sshh! Stop moaning, you're like a little kid!", it might be like throwing fuel on to a fire.
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
But this is most definitely not fair on other people to have to basically have a list of things they can and cannot say to me to keep the peace. That is just wrong of me and I seriously need to deal with my problem. It's not them, it's me.
You should try being called a spastic s**t c**t ret*d f**kwit on basically a daily basis for a few years and imagine the psychological damage this does to anyone. NT's included.. let alone someone who's Autistic. I'm surprised I'm still breathing. When death comes knocking I'll be the first to open the door to welcome it!
![Skull :skull:](./images/smilies/icon_skull.gif)
![Evil or Very Mad :evil:](./images/smilies/icon_evil.gif)
![Crying or Very sad :cry:](./images/smilies/icon_cry.gif)
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I'm sorry you have been called that. Those people lack empathy.
But I was talking about weird things that upset me, and what upsets me makes me weird.
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The things I hate are being told to sshh, being told to stop moaning and receiving age-related criticism.
So if someone said all 3 to me in one sentence, such as, "sshh! Stop moaning, you're like a little kid!", it might be like throwing fuel on to a fire.
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
But this is most definitely not fair on other people to have to basically have a list of things they can and cannot say to me to keep the peace. That is just wrong of me and I seriously need to deal with my problem. It's not them, it's me.
You should try being called a spastic s**t c**t ret*d f**kwit on basically a daily basis for a few years and imagine the psychological damage this does to anyone. NT's included.. let alone someone who's Autistic. I'm surprised I'm still breathing. When death comes knocking I'll be the first to open the door to welcome it!
![Skull :skull:](./images/smilies/icon_skull.gif)
![Evil or Very Mad :evil:](./images/smilies/icon_evil.gif)
![Crying or Very sad :cry:](./images/smilies/icon_cry.gif)
![Crying or Very sad :cry:](./images/smilies/icon_cry.gif)
![Crying or Very sad :cry:](./images/smilies/icon_cry.gif)
I didn't find that substances helped. You wake up afterward and a year, decade has passed, problems still remain.
Basically I am O.K. with being called whatever they call me, now.
You come around to realizing that "they" ain't God, ain't even saints, they are low base creatures, in no position to judge anyone, and "they" will be judged.
They also will
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My magical motto is Animus facit nobilem. I like to read fantasy and weird fiction. Just a few of my favorite online things: music, chess, and dungeon crawl stone soup.
The things I hate are being told to sshh, being told to stop moaning and receiving age-related criticism.
So if someone said all 3 to me in one sentence, such as, "sshh! Stop moaning, you're like a little kid!", it might be like throwing fuel on to a fire.
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
But this is most definitely not fair on other people to have to basically have a list of things they can and cannot say to me to keep the peace. That is just wrong of me and I seriously need to deal with my problem. It's not them, it's me.
You should try being called a spastic s**t c**t ret*d f**kwit on basically a daily basis for a few years and imagine the psychological damage this does to anyone. NT's included.. let alone someone who's Autistic. I'm surprised I'm still breathing. When death comes knocking I'll be the first to open the door to welcome it!
![Skull :skull:](./images/smilies/icon_skull.gif)
![Evil or Very Mad :evil:](./images/smilies/icon_evil.gif)
![Crying or Very sad :cry:](./images/smilies/icon_cry.gif)
![Crying or Very sad :cry:](./images/smilies/icon_cry.gif)
![Crying or Very sad :cry:](./images/smilies/icon_cry.gif)
You look very "normal" in your picture.
Here's a fun secret: There is no "normal". It is a contemporary, socially implemented construct created to control behavior, both in subconscious and conscious ways. Its all relative and completely subjective depending on how, who, and what you're around. Its not all bad; it can implement commonality for appropriate behavior, for creating safer environments, for creating order in how we approach and interact with one another. The flip side is that the idea of "normal" tends to demonize, taboo, stigmatize superflous aspects of human nature to create an unecessarily staggered social hierarchy.
And to the latter point enlies your struggle. Most people will not admit, nor perhaps even realize, how much of their opinion is biased on the acceptability and/or popularity of their peers. There are countless psychological experiments to confirm this.
This is a quote I saved by a user on Instagram (acct : philosophyideas)
"The crowd is too volatile and primitive in opinions to give us unique values. Independent thinking results from self-exploration of the world, which is automatically rejected by the most popular trend. "
In my experience, there will always be a tension between your authentic self and trying to connect with the masses. The best you can do is keep working on yourself, develop confidence and your social skills, be kind, and if there's not a connection, find other people, move if you can, get involved in clubs or mutual interests groups, so forth.
Another quote that comes to mind,
"Great spirits have always faced violent opposition from mediocore minds".
It takes great courage to combat a world bound in brainwashing and conformity. I wish you the best of luck. Take pride in the fact that taking the individualistic route is something to be proud in, even if you are the only person to appreciate it.
And to the latter point enlies your struggle. Most people will not admit, nor perhaps even realize, how much of their opinion is biased on the acceptability and/or popularity of their peers. There are countless psychological experiments to confirm this.
This is a quote I saved by a user on Instagram (acct : philosophyideas)
"The crowd is too volatile and primitive in opinions to give us unique values. Independent thinking results from self-exploration of the world, which is automatically rejected by the most popular trend. "
In my experience, there will always be a tension between your authentic self and trying to connect with the masses. The best you can do is keep working on yourself, develop confidence and your social skills, be kind, and if there's not a connection, find other people, move if you can, get involved in clubs or mutual interests groups, so forth.
Another quote that comes to mind,
"Great spirits have always faced violent opposition from mediocore minds".
It takes great courage to combat a world bound in brainwashing and conformity. I wish you the best of luck. Take pride in the fact that taking the individualistic route is something to be proud in, even if you are the only person to appreciate it.
I'm going to save your post in my notes for further reflection. Thank you for giving me something I personally find empowering.
I remember being at school where kids would be mocked for having the "wrong" school bag or trainers.
The older you get, the less fitting in matters. That's true for NTs as well as Aspies. Very often the first time you see people being themselves is when they get married to someone who supports them no matter what, and they realise they no longer have to care what other people think.
There's no obligation to get married to reach that stage, though. Just stop caring about fashion and peer pressure.
Provided you're not into something grossly antisocial like, I dunno, murder.
The internet is good for finding people into the same stuff as you. Obviously be a bit cautious as not everyone on the internet is nice, but a lot of people are.
I like music that isn't trendy (grunge, stoner rock, sludge, indie/punk/pop) and I've found so much cool stuff from other geeks, and hopefully enlightened some others along the way too.
Provided being who you are doesn't harm anyone else (Trump, I'm looking at you), be who you are as much as is humanly possible. You've only got so much time on this globe, crack on. If anyone doesn't like it - without any justifiable reason - well f**k 'em.
I'm at such an emotionally low point these last few weeks because at 26 years old, I still haven't established a solid definition of "normal" when it comes to society, my peers and pop culture. I grew up with dark, mystical, fantasy, supernatural content. I'm one of those people who give off "witchy" vibes. I started listening to My Chemical Romance before I started middle school. I've been in the Supernatural, Teen Wolf, Vampire Diaries etc. fandoms. All of this was normal to me. What's great about the internet is that you can find and connect with others "like you", who share your interests. And I did for a while, but times have changed. Now, everything's been flipped upside down with purity culture. Are we, as a society, regressing to Puritanism? Is "dark" content considered off-limits now? I'm finding that people who are into the same things I am are dying out and becoming harder to find, unless that's become morally not kosher and I didn't get the memo. I resent purity policing and cancel culture because of how much it's changed things and it's almost like I'm experiencing culture shock. We have censorship, fierce and cutthroat social justice and it's so difficult to discern what's okay and what's not anymore. I expressed this to my mother, who knows I'm on the spectrum but it still behooves her that I don't act or function the way she thinks I ought to and my neurodivergence annoys her so she has little compassion to spare and I don't know why I bother. I should just give up and stop trying to get her to understand me because if she hasn't for 26 years, she never will. But I feel like I can't connect with any of my peers. Older adults, absolutely, but if I try vibing with people my own age, I'm the odd one out and ostracized or shunned and it's obvious but I feel like there's this unspoken secret to the universe that people are consciously not letting me in on and it's so distressing and even crushing and hurtful. I thought I didn't care what people think and loved myself, always did my own thing but is it my interests that are too eccentric and stupid? Does nobody care about the things that I like? I thought it was easier to make friends and socialize on the internet because it's much more vast and surely there are fandom communities like stan twitter etc., and I spent the last several years of my life RPing on Tumblr but now I can't even get people to write with me and my friends are ghosting me for no reason and it feels like I'm being punished for having done something wrong and I can't figure it out or "guess". I've never done well with the silent treatment. Is it me? Am I simply too weird? And if that's the case, I hate it because I can't change no matter how hard I try. I've gone through the whole masking deal in high school, faked several identities and bounced from clique to clique craving some sense of belonging even with the most toxic teens who were never my friends, dressed in their clothes and listened to their music even though it wasn't me and I didn't like it just to see if things would change and that never worked out, so I'm exhausted and stopped trying to "be normal" a long time ago. They still sense my neurodivergence and react to me like I'm gross or have some disease, and now it's even on the internet where I can truly be myself and that's extra insulting. It just hurts wondering if I'm so far removed from what's considered socially acceptable in ways that I can't help and I'm just so sad because of it. All I want to do is cry.
What kinds of interests are considered "normal"? I like bands (mostly 80's rock), Stranger Things, Supernatural, mythology, ancient history and art, poetry and fashion. I don't like TikToks or KPop or whatever else people are consuming, but just how "weird" am I? I don't want to be alone. I'm tired of it and not being able to connect with my peers because I'm different. I know that's inevitable when I have Asperger's, but I'm just... so sad and heartbroken over it. I just feel like sobbing my eyes out. Does anyone else ever break down and get this way?
A spiritual perspective
I hate Tiktok and KPop too, so you are not alone.
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I belief that you should find your true self, do your own thing, and love yourself. So, you could regard being called "weird" as a complement, even when people mean it derogatory. I consider being called "normal" more of an insult. Most so called "normal" people are normalized, in the sense of being cultivated or influenced that they are not free beings, that they have no true unique self. This is exactly the core principle of Hinduism: all people are all fundamentally the same, called Brahman. But then a wise man came to the front, called the Buddha, who -- I think -- proposed a counter movement in which the individual is the key. Unfortunately Buddhism has been severely tainted by Hinduistic and socialistic thought during the oral years, obscuring the logical principle that Buddhism was originally individualistic rather than socialistic. In other words Buddhism is more about Infinity, rather than about Oneness. Buddhism is about setting the individual free. (NB, this is my own idea, most, if not all, schools of Buddhism of today think differently.) It is true that Christianity has the concept of a unique spirit as well: called the soul, but this soul is owned and bound by the creator God who has a plan for the world.
In short, you are not alone in being "weird", see it as a positive/a good thing, and as I said above there is even a spiritual "justification" for being weird. Finding other "weird" friends is getting more difficult because as you said they are becoming less in number, but also they tend to ne more introverted. So, have patience and faith in finding friends.
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I'm a straight guy, '80s geek, and musician.
As a musical term for sure, "the '80s" imply the late '70s and early '90s. You can think of them as tapers of this golden decade.
And to the latter point enlies your struggle. Most people will not admit, nor perhaps even realize, how much of their opinion is biased on the acceptability and/or popularity of their peers. There are countless psychological experiments to confirm this.
This is a quote I saved by a user on Instagram (acct : philosophyideas)
"The crowd is too volatile and primitive in opinions to give us unique values. Independent thinking results from self-exploration of the world, which is automatically rejected by the most popular trend. "
In my experience, there will always be a tension between your authentic self and trying to connect with the masses. The best you can do is keep working on yourself, develop confidence and your social skills, be kind, and if there's not a connection, find other people, move if you can, get involved in clubs or mutual interests groups, so forth.
Another quote that comes to mind,
"Great spirits have always faced violent opposition from mediocore minds".
It takes great courage to combat a world bound in brainwashing and conformity. I wish you the best of luck. Take pride in the fact that taking the individualistic route is something to be proud in, even if you are the only person to appreciate it.
I'm going to save your post in my notes for further reflection. Thank you for giving me something I personally find empowering.
I'm glad my words could be of service. We cant unfortunately depend on our real life peers or social institutions to be of help or understanding regarding ASD. We have to work on ourselves from the inside out.
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