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25 Sep 2020, 4:31 pm

This sounds abusive. A relationship needs to be reciprocal. I would look for support for yourself--don't wait to the last minute. You can also see if you can improve your relationship to your husband, but still seek help for yourself.



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07 Oct 2020, 4:56 pm

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My husband, and his mother, have Aspergers. I'm in a situation where I feel at a complete loss as to what I should do.

This morning we had a huge fight and now he is threatening divorce. I have tried to talk to him but he's being cold towards me and won't respond. He's been having a lot of outburst recently which are always directed towards me. I don't know how to calm him down. Its tearing me apart because every time he gets mad he says we need to divorce. We have a young child together. Our child is scared because he witnesses all of this. What can I do? I need someone to talk to because I just don't know what my husband needs from me.


He is getting overloaded and cannot handle extra things to do? Trying to talk to him just overloads him more. Just leave him alone and don't give him anything to do or distract him. If he has a job and goes to work, that should be enough.



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07 Oct 2020, 5:06 pm

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You might laugh but the fight this morning was caused by my cat. When my husband is in a good mood he loves my cat. When he's stressed or not coping well, he hates her. Its been an ongoing thing for several years. And fyi, I had my cat before he and I were ever together. This morning my cat knocked over a glass of water that our child left on the side table. When my husband got up he stepped in it and then flipped out. He charged into the bedroom screaming at me. I jumped out of bed and ran to clean up the mess. His screaming also woke up our son. I cleaned it up as fast as possible because of how mad he was but it didn't calm him down. He kept yelling at me, saying I had to get rid of her. I told him that it was just water, its cleaned up and lets just forget about it. He then picked up my cat harshly and threw her outside. He said that I could never have her in the house again. Of course, by then I was getting really upset because I know he's overreacting and there is nothing I can do. He then screamed at me and said that I had to choose my cat or him. Our son was getting scared and I felt like I needed to leave. The screaming was so loud it shook the house. Our son looked terrified. So in my pj's, I took our son the park at 6am. I just wanted to leave the situation because I didn't know what else he might do/say next. He then texted me that he was calling the cops because I took our soon. I told him I'd be back home once he left for work. Our son has school and he can't have a good day if he see's his Dad acting like this, saying mean things to me and threatening divorce. He told me he was leaving but was there when I got home. He came up to my car, opened the door and said "i'm filing for divorce". He then left and has not spoken to me since then. I texted him and told him we could keep the cat out for a while if that is what he wanted. I tried to give in because I didn't know what else to do. So far, he won't talk to me.



This gave me a bad vibe about your husband. If anyone treated me like this, I would be gone. AS is no excuse for any abuse. Abuse is abuse. And your son needs a healthy environment, not have a parent screaming at his other parent. This can lead to trauma and lead to him having anxiety in the future about anything going wrong or about making mistakes and perhaps end up with social anxiety as well.

Let's him file for a divorce, you deserve better. If this was something he has said in the past and never actually done it, get those divorce papers and give him his wish since he was taking too long to even get those papers so you did it for him to speed it up.


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08 Oct 2020, 12:35 am

League_Girl wrote:
001Friday wrote:

You might laugh but the fight this morning was caused by my cat. When my husband is in a good mood he loves my cat. When he's stressed or not coping well, he hates her. Its been an ongoing thing for several years. And fyi, I had my cat before he and I were ever together. This morning my cat knocked over a glass of water that our child left on the side table. When my husband got up he stepped in it and then flipped out. He charged into the bedroom screaming at me. I jumped out of bed and ran to clean up the mess. His screaming also woke up our son. I cleaned it up as fast as possible because of how mad he was but it didn't calm him down. He kept yelling at me, saying I had to get rid of her. I told him that it was just water, its cleaned up and lets just forget about it. He then picked up my cat harshly and threw her outside. He said that I could never have her in the house again. Of course, by then I was getting really upset because I know he's overreacting and there is nothing I can do. He then screamed at me and said that I had to choose my cat or him. Our son was getting scared and I felt like I needed to leave. The screaming was so loud it shook the house. Our son looked terrified. So in my pj's, I took our son the park at 6am. I just wanted to leave the situation because I didn't know what else he might do/say next. He then texted me that he was calling the cops because I took our soon. I told him I'd be back home once he left for work. Our son has school and he can't have a good day if he see's his Dad acting like this, saying mean things to me and threatening divorce. He told me he was leaving but was there when I got home. He came up to my car, opened the door and said "i'm filing for divorce". He then left and has not spoken to me since then. I texted him and told him we could keep the cat out for a while if that is what he wanted. I tried to give in because I didn't know what else to do. So far, he won't talk to me.



This gave me a bad vibe about your husband. If anyone treated me like this, I would be gone. AS is no excuse for any abuse. Abuse is abuse. And your son needs a healthy environment, not have a parent screaming at his other parent. This can lead to trauma and lead to him having anxiety in the future about anything going wrong or about making mistakes and perhaps end up with social anxiety as well.

Let's him file for a divorce, you deserve better. If this was something he has said in the past and never actually done it, get those divorce papers and give him his wish since he was taking too long to even get those papers so you did it for him to speed it up.


he may be naricistic, bipolar, capricious and/or have a low functioning form of AS or autism which would explain his aggression and meltdowns/tantrums/anger outbursts like children with autism do. he may need ABA therapy like a little child. you may need to get an ABA therapist inside the apartment to work with him on basic tasks like what to do if an object falls and breaks.



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08 Oct 2020, 12:36 am

Jiheisho wrote:
This sounds abusive. A relationship needs to be reciprocal. I would look for support for yourself--don't wait to the last minute. You can also see if you can improve your relationship to your husband, but still seek help for yourself.


she does not have to divorce him, she can try to smooth things over and adapt.. women live with husbands who have abusive outbursts all the time, you can make it work,



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08 Oct 2020, 12:52 am

idntonkw wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
This sounds abusive. A relationship needs to be reciprocal. I would look for support for yourself--don't wait to the last minute. You can also see if you can improve your relationship to your husband, but still seek help for yourself.


she does not have to divorce him, she can try to smooth things over and adapt.. women live with husbands who have abusive outbursts all the time, you can make it work,


So just to be clear, you're of the opinion that people in abusive relationships should just try to "adapt"? And this belief is supported by the fact that people "make it work" "all the time", therefore what's the big deal? From that could I surmise that you would also encourage someone who is being repeatedly beaten by a school bully to just "adapt"?



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08 Oct 2020, 11:18 pm

AuroraBorealisGazer wrote:
idntonkw wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
This sounds abusive. A relationship needs to be reciprocal. I would look for support for yourself--don't wait to the last minute. You can also see if you can improve your relationship to your husband, but still seek help for yourself.


she does not have to divorce him, she can try to smooth things over and adapt.. women live with husbands who have abusive outbursts all the time, you can make it work,


So just to be clear, you're of the opinion that people in abusive relationships should just try to "adapt"? And this belief is supported by the fact that people "make it work" "all the time", therefore what's the big deal? From that could I surmise that you would also encourage someone who is being repeatedly beaten by a school bully to just "adapt"?


Yes, it is not a deal breaker if a partner has abusive tendencies which are manageable and tolerable. Extreme or sever abuse should be grounds for walking away, but intermittent minor to moderate abuse can be managed and smoothed over, because the person will not change and the alternative of breaking up a family and being alone is much more self-abusive. I used to think like you do, but now being wiser and older, I believe you should let people make their own decisions and if they chose to be abusive to another person, that is their choice kind of.



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08 Oct 2020, 11:44 pm

Any levels of abuse can lead to C PTSD or any sort of trauma if the behavior is continuous. It is not something to be tolerated just because someone has a mental disorder or some sort of impairment.

If you have to walk on eggshells or tip toe around someone to keep them from being triggered where they will do abuse, that is an abusive relationship and not a healthy one either.


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09 Oct 2020, 4:34 am

Let's clarify something because maybe it's just a miscommunication:

Various forms of "difficult character" are not deal breakers as long as they are consistently managed on non-abusive level.

Abuse is never tolerable. Sometimes adressing one's behaviors is enough to keep some potentially dangerous tendencies at bay - but you need a really good network of support to sustainably live like that. If your partner tries to isolate you from your support network, run for your life!

Also, the "airplane oxygen mask rule" holds for mental health: help yourself first.


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09 Oct 2020, 4:50 am

magz wrote:
Let's clarify something because maybe it's just a miscommunication:

Various forms of "difficult character" are not deal breakers as long as they are consistently managed on non-abusive level.

Abuse is never tolerable. Sometimes adressing one's behaviors is enough to keep some potentially dangerous tendencies at bay - but you need a really good network of support to sustainably live like that. If your partner tries to isolate you from your support network, run for your life!


Is the problem *only* on one side?



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09 Oct 2020, 4:52 am

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magz wrote:
Let's clarify something because maybe it's just a miscommunication:

Various forms of "difficult character" are not deal breakers as long as they are consistently managed on non-abusive level.

Abuse is never tolerable. Sometimes adressing one's behaviors is enough to keep some potentially dangerous tendencies at bay - but you need a really good network of support to sustainably live like that. If your partner tries to isolate you from your support network, run for your life!

Is the problem *only* on one side?

I'm very much against blaming. Blaming is counter-productive.
When things are bad, redirect the energy from "whose fault is it" to "what can we do now".


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09 Oct 2020, 5:07 am

I really hope that all is sorted and gone well and that the marriage is saved with all parties thrilled at the outcome. I hate it when things go wrong and love it when things go right.


The Goaty "Moderator Quote of the Year Award" goes to Magz for these wize words of wisdom...

magz wrote:
I'm very much against blaming. Blaming is counter-productive.
When things are bad, redirect the energy from "whose fault is it" to "what can we do now".



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10 Oct 2020, 2:19 am

I started reading this thread from the bottom. There’s a caricature of internet users that their solution to every spousal issue is divorce. I thought I would try to put myself in the husband’s shoes to see if I could understand or emphasise with his behaviour.

The truth is, the users calling this abuse were absolutely not exaggerating. This is not acceptable behaviour, autistic or not. His treatment of you and your cat is outright cruel, and he is making you and your son feel unsafe. I strongly advise that you seek divorce and full custody. This is not an easy route, but the easy route is not safe. I don’t know much about you, but I know you don’t deserve to be treated like that, because nobody does. You do not deserve to be treated like that.

While it is possible that autism could have played a role in some stages of this process, it certainly isn’t the cause. This is not a case of a bad miscommunication, this is a case of someone treating you badly either deliberately or through wilful negligence.

It isn’t your job to fix your partner. There are some issues you can work through. This particular issue, where he clearly has zero regard for your emotional well-being? No.

People talk about apportioning blame. That isn’t relevant here. Even if you are secretly also abusing him and hiding it from us, that does not justify his behaviour and it is not a reason for you to stay together.

I cannot know everything about your situation, but based on what you have said, I think it would be best for all three of you



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10 Oct 2020, 3:34 am

Reading the topic from the end, too:
He's threatning divorce. Call his cards.

I grew up with an "explosive" uncle I otherwise loved and I learned how to manage a man with such tendencies - it requires an ability to stand the first wave of his anger without reaction and only after he calms down, calmly, innocently and matter-of-fact-way adress what he did and if he really meant this.

Enviro made a very important point: after such a meltdown, he's feeling ashamed of his own behavior. If it is true for your husband too, that's good, that means it was just a meltdown and all you both need to do is some damage control. But if the shame over one's own loss of control is coated by a thick layer of psychological defenses - blaming, projecting, denial etc. - it won't get better without a lot of work from his side and a good mental health professional.

Don't "smooth things out" - that would be a codependent behavior ultimately making things worse. Read up codependence, it's a trap for good people. Set clear boundaries of what is acceptable and what is not and don't be afraid to call his cards, including police involvement or divorce.

I don't know you, I don't know your husband, so I have no idea if what works for me could ever work for you. That's what has worked for me when dealing with my nearest and dearest sinking into mental unhealthiness.

Anyway, you are not responsible for your husband. Remember the plane oxygen mask rule. Care for yourself first, then for your child. Only when you're both safe, you can do anything meaningful about your husband.


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10 Oct 2020, 5:33 am

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I started reading this thread from the bottom. There’s a caricature of internet users that their solution to every spousal issue is divorce. I thought I would try to put myself in the husband’s shoes to see if I could understand or emphasise with his behaviour.

The truth is, the users calling this abuse were absolutely not exaggerating. This is not acceptable behaviour, autistic or not. His treatment of you and your cat is outright cruel, and he is making you and your son feel unsafe. I strongly advise that you seek divorce and full custody. This is not an easy route, but the easy route is not safe. I don’t know much about you, but I know you don’t deserve to be treated like that, because nobody does. You do not deserve to be treated like that.

While it is possible that autism could have played a role in some stages of this process, it certainly isn’t the cause. This is not a case of a bad miscommunication, this is a case of someone treating you badly either deliberately or through wilful negligence.

It isn’t your job to fix your partner. There are some issues you can work through. This particular issue, where he clearly has zero regard for your emotional well-being? No.

People talk about apportioning blame. That isn’t relevant here. Even if you are secretly also abusing him and hiding it from us, that does not justify his behaviour and it is not a reason for you to stay together.

I cannot know everything about your situation, but based on what you have said, I think it would be best for all three of you


Are you referring to my comment?



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10 Oct 2020, 5:39 am

magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Let's clarify something because maybe it's just a miscommunication:

Various forms of "difficult character" are not deal breakers as long as they are consistently managed on non-abusive level.

Abuse is never tolerable. Sometimes adressing one's behaviors is enough to keep some potentially dangerous tendencies at bay - but you need a really good network of support to sustainably live like that. If your partner tries to isolate you from your support network, run for your life!

Is the problem *only* on one side?

I'm very much against blaming. Blaming is counter-productive.
When things are bad, redirect the energy from "whose fault is it" to "what can we do now".


Are you saying I'm blaming someone?