Is everything about Britain shameful ?

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Yes this is one of the unpalatable things about Britian is the apparent normalisation of their class system where the upper crust are allowed to feel entitled. Watch any BBC interview and you can see those with an Etonian/Harrow education speak with a sneer in their voice.

The Kinks too.

The Welsh flag is my favourite, although I am biased because dragons.

Agrees about the Welsh flag and its dragon !

The flag with the dragon was recognized from 1956 as a rebellion against the Welsh Christian heritage. (The dragon symbolizes satan, the three colours symbolize earth, fire and water which come from druidic origions).
It is not the proper flag of Wales as we have had the old flag of St David for well over 1000 years.

The English cross of St George heralds the great dragon slayer

Would like to see a picture of the original flag ?

Why should there be anything shameful about Britain, they went through a terrible time during WW2, now they are going through Covid19, My mum told me some stories about her time in Devon when she went there because of the war now I would like to go there, I like to watch "Escape to the Country" they tell the history of the places.

There isn't anything shameful about Britain?

It's all in the mind of the beholder

Everyone I ever saw wave that flag is an idiot, a toff or a Yank...

Toffs are probably equal bigots to the morons but hey I wanna go to the Proms so...

Blue (I know...) sunburst flags are my favourite flags. Deep in mythology.

Are you insinuating that absolutely every aspect of the history and culture of a nation that has been around for as long as Britain has is shameful? Any nation that has ever been an empire surely has a dark past, and let's just agree that there are no saints among the nations who participated in the World Wars. Slavery is one of the biggest atrocities in human history, but it was something that many nations who conquered other nations did, and it's a practice that dates back millennia, likely to well before written record.

All I'm saying is, sure, Britain has done some bad things, but who hasn't? More importantly, it's a little much to say there has never been anything good about it. Are you also insinuating that there are no good people among the Brits, and that there never have been? Absolutes generally come across as hyperbolic, and for good reason.

Sure, the English allegedly have the ability to cleverly disguise insults as polite conversation, but I personally find that more respectable than reprehensible. If true, it's also highly doubtful every interaction with them is a veiled insult. Surely, if one is being insulted in that way they've probably earned it.

Do you realize how many lives have been lost throughout the history of the British Isles because of infighting and the eventual peaceful solution was to bring about one single govening entity encompassing the whole country? And that every time we have has a split country in our past history it has meant thousands of lives have ben lost on all sides, and it has also meant that everyone has lived in mysery not knowing if they will be attacked next (On all sides)? And many more died of starvation as each side would sabatage their crops so the "Enemy" had nothing to eat, but as they were also the enemy they would also have their crops destroyed...

Do you realize the stability a single ruling monarcy system brought to these isles and though it was not perfect, it brought us together?

Do you know how in the past parts of Britain were ruled from abroad with no regards for the people living here, and the Magna Carter was wtitten up to protect the whole countries future, and part of this was a rule that though they expected at any time an invading nation could take over Britain, they realized that any new rulership of these shores HAD to have the ruler living here so we would not be forgotton... So the Magna Carter contained the rule that Britain was never to be ruled from outside these shores, and this part of knowledge was passed down from generation to generation and until the GCSE's came in (Which have their roots in the Russian communistic system), this knowledge had to be taught to every child as part of their history lessons in secondary schools right around this country as a matter of importance, so that never again would we be governed from outside these shores.... And it is only when a new communistic agenda teaching method based on "Reasoning" (The GCSE's) that has changed this so the new generations now are taught to think how good it is to be part of a global system and so they embrace the EU ans think nothing of why we should remain a single country and they are willing to do away with all our historical reasons of what once made Britain "great".

Do you realize what the flag means?

You do realize why in the past we were conquored so easily by many different invading peoples, and when the people took a stand of togetherness under God, that this nation became strong, and how and why we were (And are) proud to call ourselves an "United Kingdom"?

You do realize why Christianity was so important to Britain as it united us with one cause, and if one undermines Christianity in this country one collapses the cause that keeps us together?

What kind of Christianity is acceptable in your eyes? Because historically it's meant a massive difference.

You do realise that esp in Ireland the UK was brought about via colonialism so 'other people might invade' is a really s**t argument right... I mean what's the worse that can happen? Soldiers shooting youths on the street?

Seriously, in my IRL experience, the Union Jack waving types of working/middle class people are the types who think they are above other people due to race or religion. And to be frank: they tend not to be above anyone because of anything else.

I can see the argument for Scotland being in the Union. After centuries of failed attempts at invasion, James VI decided to voluntarily join the union. But... if the majority want out (which is inevitable the more England votes for the Tories and Scotland doesn't = contrasting values) then I think it's a good thing to have out.

I don't have enough knowledge of Wales/Welsh History to comment.

Question. Are freemasons Christians? (I am talking about general belief here rather then the individual) as if one looks at freemasonary, and what they have to agree with, it has a form of Christianity but then it turns it upsidown so that when one goes up the ranks one will realize that one has been hoodwinked into a demonic worshipping system.
Why do I say this? I say this because if one studies freemasonary, one will discover that as one goes up the ranks the different orders that fight against each other are not Christians in belief but are freemasons under the guise of Christianity, and they do not know the scriptures of God, because if they knew they would not have created the situation that they had.
Notice how both sides were full of hate, and how God IS love. By nature they were not Christians.
Remember how that Christians were recognized by how they LOVED each other, and how love covers a multitude of sins.
Jesus said one should LOVE ones enemies and do good to them. A Christian follows Christ.
I say this so that you realize that what happened in Ireland had nothing to do with Christianity. Just look what both sides did!
The heros are the ones who pushed for peace. The ones who demonstrated LOVE. Who would love those who hated them. Those are the strong followers of Jesus Christ.

Last edited by Mountain Goat on 04 Feb 2021, 8:42 am, edited 2 times in total.

No.

I have enjoyed the work of their musicians for over a half a century. How can a place the produce Monty Python be all bad?

And their accents are not only the best but there is no other place that comes close.

Yes I forgot about mentioning that the OP is communicating in English so that's another aspect to cross-off the list. Wokeness gets misunderstood and distorted by right wingers. It's possible to criticise history or events without making the entire nation and everything about it shameful.