Potentially Obvious Electric Car Design Flaw.

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17 Mar 2021, 1:29 am

last i heard, down here you can get away with no insurance so long as you're bonded for at least $10 grand. that might have doubled in the last few years. to get the tabs you have to show evidence of insurance or bond, but last time i renewed online i didn't have show either of those things, a loophole that i wonder how long will remain open.



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17 Mar 2021, 1:39 am

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last i heard, down here you can get away with no insurance so long as you're bonded for at least $10 grand. that might have doubled in the last few years. to get the tabs you have to show evidence of insurance or bond, but last time i renewed online i didn't have show either of those things, a loophole that i wonder how long will remain open.


So you can get the stickers.. but if you were involved in an accident, and it gets investigated and found out that you weren't eligible for the stickers, then you'll probably be nailed with some kind of fine for it. But I guess they can't do much more than that considering you don't even have to have insurance there so whatever.


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17 Mar 2021, 2:37 am

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last i heard, down here you can get away with no insurance so long as you're bonded for at least $10 grand. that might have doubled in the last few years. to get the tabs you have to show evidence of insurance or bond, but last time i renewed online i didn't have show either of those things, a loophole that i wonder how long will remain open.


So you can get the stickers.. but if you were involved in an accident, and it gets investigated and found out that you weren't eligible for the stickers, then you'll probably be nailed with some kind of fine for it. But I guess they can't do much more than that considering you don't even have to have insurance there so whatever.

pretty sure there's time in the pokey as well [felony] as that isn't just failure to pay tax but evading the regulatory structure using illegitimate tags/forgeries. but if you get the tags by regular channels you are thought to have done it legit. as long as one is rich enough, i've seen wrecks where little more than pride was hurt, and wads of bills exchanged hands and hands shook. usually a rich mercedes or bimmer or such hitting some jalopy.



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17 Mar 2021, 3:43 am

Ya people make cash deals here to avoid claims and having premiums rise. Depends on the situation. I’ve only done it once - most people do it never.

Some trucker slightly rear ended my shitbox civic hatchback and dented the hatch. The car had something like half a million km on it. I wasn’t injured and the car wasn’t worth any money so when he asked me not to call the insurance company, I told him o was doing a charity fundraiser (I actually was.) and would appreciate a $100 donation. (And the $ did go to a youth homeless shelter.)


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17 Mar 2021, 4:16 am

when i had more money, i paid off somebody who stupidly slammed on his brakes in front of me for no good reason, causing a minor fender bender.



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24 Mar 2021, 4:05 pm

With both electric vehicles and hybrids, I feel that vehicles with unfavorable accident safety ratings (as electric vehicles overall are less safe than gas powered vehicles) may be considered a design flaw of sorts.

Overall, the newer models of electric/hybrid vehicles are yielding improvements in accident safety ratings - yet are still below safety ratings in comparison to most gas-powered vehicles.



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25 Mar 2021, 10:25 am

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With both electric vehicles and hybrids, I feel that vehicles with unfavorable accident safety ratings (as electric vehicles overall are less safe than gas powered vehicles) may be considered a design flaw of sorts.

Overall, the newer models of electric/hybrid vehicles are yielding improvements in accident safety ratings - yet are still below safety ratings in comparison to most gas-powered vehicles.


Which EV's are unsafe in accidents?

First I've heard of this.

Meanwhile, Tesla's Model S was the safest care ever tested in some tests.. it broke the machine trying to crush it.


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25 Mar 2021, 2:59 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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With both electric vehicles and hybrids, I feel that vehicles with unfavorable accident safety ratings (as electric vehicles overall are less safe than gas powered vehicles) may be considered a design flaw of sorts.

Overall, the newer models of electric/hybrid vehicles are yielding improvements in accident safety ratings - yet are still below safety ratings in comparison to most gas-powered vehicles.


Which EV's are unsafe in accidents?

First I've heard of this.

Meanwhile, Tesla's Model S was the safest care ever tested in some tests.. it broke the machine trying to crush it.


Many EVs are small compact cars - which naturally (overall) perform worse in accident safety than most gas-powered cars.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) provides crash test data on all models of cars. The 'Consumer Reports' publication is an excellent publication rating many products - including detailed tests/assessments on vehicles.

Here in California, the state wants to phase-out gas powered passenger vehicles by the year 2035.

The WP image page shows your location in Canada. What resources (like IIHS, & Consumer Reports) evaluate vehicles sold in Canada?



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25 Mar 2021, 4:32 pm

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JustFoundHere wrote:
With both electric vehicles and hybrids, I feel that vehicles with unfavorable accident safety ratings (as electric vehicles overall are less safe than gas powered vehicles) may be considered a design flaw of sorts.

Overall, the newer models of electric/hybrid vehicles are yielding improvements in accident safety ratings - yet are still below safety ratings in comparison to most gas-powered vehicles.


Which EV's are unsafe in accidents?

First I've heard of this.

Meanwhile, Tesla's Model S was the safest care ever tested in some tests.. it broke the machine trying to crush it.


Many EVs are small compact cars - which naturally (overall) perform worse in accident safety than most gas-powered cars.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) provides crash test data on all models of cars. The 'Consumer Reports' publication is an excellent publication rating many products - including detailed tests/assessments on vehicles.

Here in California, the state wants to phase-out gas powered passenger vehicles by the year 2035.

The WP image page shows your location in Canada. What resources (like IIHS, & Consumer Reports) evaluate vehicles sold in Canada?


No idea. Google?

Vehicles sold in Canada are virtually identical to vehicles sold in the USA, so google results for crash test ratings of any cars will be ~the same - only they may also be available in French. :P


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25 Mar 2021, 5:00 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
JustFoundHere wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
JustFoundHere wrote:
With both electric vehicles and hybrids, I feel that vehicles with unfavorable accident safety ratings (as electric vehicles overall are less safe than gas powered vehicles) may be considered a design flaw of sorts.

Overall, the newer models of electric/hybrid vehicles are yielding improvements in accident safety ratings - yet are still below safety ratings in comparison to most gas-powered vehicles.


Which EV's are unsafe in accidents?

First I've heard of this.

Meanwhile, Tesla's Model S was the safest care ever tested in some tests.. it broke the machine trying to crush it.


Many EVs are small compact cars - which naturally (overall) perform worse in accident safety than most gas-powered cars.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) provides crash test data on all models of cars. The 'Consumer Reports' publication is an excellent publication rating many products - including detailed tests/assessments on vehicles.

Here in California, the state wants to phase-out gas powered passenger vehicles by the year 2035.

The WP image page shows your location in Canada. What resources (like IIHS, & Consumer Reports) evaluate vehicles sold in Canada?


No idea. Google?

Vehicles sold in Canada are virtually identical to vehicles sold in the USA, so google results for crash test ratings of any cars will be ~the same - only they may also be available in French. :P


RELATED: I read that the importation of right-hand drive vehicles (like vehicles in Britain) was an issue in Canada. Do these vehicles include hybrids/EVs?

In the US, only the importation of vintage vehicles with right-hand drive e.g, most notably vintage British sports-cars are allowed into the US.



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25 Mar 2021, 5:04 pm

Anyone seen the littlw Chtroen AMIs (New electric vehicles designed for cities).



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25 Mar 2021, 5:16 pm

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Anyone seen the littlw Chtroen AMIs (New electric vehicles designed for cities).


Yes.

$20-something dollars/month to lease!

Useful low end entry EV for Europe, but completely useless in Canada or the USA.. it'd be run over like a kids' powerwheels toy.

But still an interesting move.. starting at the lowest cheapest end of the market vs. the top with $$$$ Te$la'$.


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25 Mar 2021, 5:31 pm

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Anyone seen the littlw Chtroen AMIs (New electric vehicles designed for cities).


Yes.

$20-something dollars/month to lease!

Useful low end entry EV for Europe, but completely useless in Canada or the USA.. it'd be run over like a kids' powerwheels toy.

But still an interesting move.. starting at the lowest cheapest end of the market vs. the top with $$$$ Te$la'$.


Its top speed is 28mph and has around a 45 mile range on a 3 hour charge, but for a city runaround that is cheap and cheerful it makes sense.

Like you said. If you want to go a distance along a highway (Motorway we call them though these vehicles would not be allowed, as there is a minimum speed limit on our motorways is 30mph and as this has to be a minimum cruising speed, vehicles must be able to touch at least 45mph before one is allowed on our motorways. A few very large tractors are allowed but the majority are not. 50cc mopeds are not allowed but 60cc and above are if they can touch 45mph (Mind you, the last 50cc I had could touch 45mph)).



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25 Mar 2021, 5:40 pm

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RELATED: I read that the importation of right-hand drive vehicles (like vehicles in Britain) was an issue in Canada. Do these vehicles include hybrids/EVs?

In the US, only the importation of vintage vehicles with right-hand drive e.g, most notably vintage British sports-cars are allowed into the US.


If the RHD car is over 15 years you can import it.

This means we get the cool Japanese cars 10 years before the Yanks do.



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25 Mar 2021, 7:08 pm

JustFoundHere wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
JustFoundHere wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
JustFoundHere wrote:
With both electric vehicles and hybrids, I feel that vehicles with unfavorable accident safety ratings (as electric vehicles overall are less safe than gas powered vehicles) may be considered a design flaw of sorts.

Overall, the newer models of electric/hybrid vehicles are yielding improvements in accident safety ratings - yet are still below safety ratings in comparison to most gas-powered vehicles.


Which EV's are unsafe in accidents?

First I've heard of this.

Meanwhile, Tesla's Model S was the safest care ever tested in some tests.. it broke the machine trying to crush it.


Many EVs are small compact cars - which naturally (overall) perform worse in accident safety than most gas-powered cars.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) provides crash test data on all models of cars. The 'Consumer Reports' publication is an excellent publication rating many products - including detailed tests/assessments on vehicles.

Here in California, the state wants to phase-out gas powered passenger vehicles by the year 2035.

The WP image page shows your location in Canada. What resources (like IIHS, & Consumer Reports) evaluate vehicles sold in Canada?


No idea. Google?

Vehicles sold in Canada are virtually identical to vehicles sold in the USA, so google results for crash test ratings of any cars will be ~the same - only they may also be available in French. :P


RELATED: I read that the importation of right-hand drive vehicles (like vehicles in Britain) was an issue in Canada. Do these vehicles include hybrids/EVs?

In the US, only the importation of vintage vehicles with right-hand drive e.g, most notably vintage British sports-cars are allowed into the US.


Was what issue in Canada? Do what vehicles include hybrids/EVs? :? Your question isn't clear so I don't know how you expect me to respond.

Foreign market vehicles have to be at least 15 years old before they can be imported to Canada. The only ones newer than that are maybe Diplomats' cars or something. There are way more Japanese RHD cars on the road here than British classics.


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25 Mar 2021, 7:21 pm

Is Japan closer to Canada and the USA then Britain is?