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21 Mar 2022, 4:46 pm

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"She helped the young and homeless" -- A celebrity face, et cetera.  I have dished up food for the homeless at a local shelter, AND I have even taken in people who would otherwise have been homeless, AND have given those people enough of a boost for them to lead healthy, self-sufficient lives.
Last time you mentioned this you said they all robbed you., which is it?
Link, please?




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@Those whose hearts "bleed" for the homeless:

If you are so concerned about those poor homeless people who choose to live on the street, sleep in dumpsters, steal from honest merchants, and sell their stolen goods to buy drugs, then here is something you can do about it.

Invite them to live with you in your own homes instead of on the streets.

Then, and only then will you come to experience first-hand the mindset of the "Willfully Homeless".  Then you will know just how determined they are to live without being held accountable for their own actions, and how much they hate being told what they can and cannot do.  Sure, they will kowtow and say, "Yes-yes" when you lay down the rules by which you and your families have lived.  Certainly, they will smile and agree when you tell them "no drugs, no alcohol, no weapons, and no visitors without my permission".  And you can be certain that they will be perfect angels for the first few days of their rehabilitation.

But then you will notice things are missing.  Small, incidental things like toilet paper, soap, and canned foods.  Then one day you will come home and your furniture, your tech gear, and all of your valuables are gone.

And so is your "tenant".

Go ahead; try it.  If you have the courage of your convictions, then it should be no problem for you at all.


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21 Mar 2022, 4:48 pm

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Cloning Diana would be a waste of time, money, resources, and effort.

She had no special talent that would have benefitted all humankind.

Better to clone Einstein, Schweitzer, or some other genius.

Then give them the best educations possible.
Well she tried to stop landmines in Africa.
Talking about stopping the use of landmines and actually stopping the use of landmines are two different things.

How many landmines did she actually stop?  None.

All sentimentality aside, it would be better to clone someone who possessed higher intelligence.
At least she tried. She would be hell of aLOT better than some of the politicians we have here in the US. Half of our leaders are majorly pushing for war instead of trying to find diplomatic solutions & they don't give one flying f#ck about the collateral damage done to the innocent civilians nor the many soldiers here & there who will be killed or have serious life long disabilities as a result. I'd much rather have a moron in charge who has a good heart & cares instead of having leaders who are hateful & don't care about anyone else but themselves weather their morons or geniuses.
Yes . . . let us derail yet another thread into an unrelated and impotent rant against politics.

:roll: No, let us not, and just say we did.


He's arguing Diana did more than them, while you argue Einstein did more than her. In a thread you find pointless.



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21 Mar 2022, 4:53 pm

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The nub of the issue is you cant "bring a person back". You can only create a biological xerox copy of the person. A younger generation identical twin of that person. One more thing: The clone wont have the person's memories (if thats what you think).


true, but this thread is more fun if that fact is ignored. :mrgreen:



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21 Mar 2022, 4:55 pm

HighLlama wrote:
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Cloning Diana would be a waste of time, money, resources, and effort.

She had no special talent that would have benefitted all humankind.

Better to clone Einstein, Schweitzer, or some other genius.

Then give them the best educations possible.
Well she tried to stop landmines in Africa.
Talking about stopping the use of landmines and actually stopping the use of landmines are two different things.

How many landmines did she actually stop?  None.

All sentimentality aside, it would be better to clone someone who possessed higher intelligence.
At least she tried. She would be hell of aLOT better than some of the politicians we have here in the US. Half of our leaders are majorly pushing for war instead of trying to find diplomatic solutions & they don't give one flying f#ck about the collateral damage done to the innocent civilians nor the many soldiers here & there who will be killed or have serious life long disabilities as a result. I'd much rather have a moron in charge who has a good heart & cares instead of having leaders who are hateful & don't care about anyone else but themselves weather their morons or geniuses.
Yes . . . let us derail yet another thread into an unrelated and impotent rant against politics.

:roll: No, let us not, and just say we did.
He's arguing Diana did more than them, while you argue Einstein did more than her. In a thread you find pointless.
The secondary point is that Diana was just a famous person who lent her image to several popular causes, while people like Einstein and Sweitzer actually accomplished something in their specialized fields.

The primary point of this thread being the useless cloning of dead celebrities, Diana Spencer in particular.



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21 Mar 2022, 5:26 pm

There is no guarantee that the being who is cloned from Einstein will accomplish much, either.



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21 Mar 2022, 5:32 pm

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There is no guarantee that the being who is cloned from Einstein will accomplish much, either.


Maybe they'll actually stop the bomb.



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21 Mar 2022, 5:46 pm

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I think the idea is to clone extinct animals (which is theoretically feasible). Top contender at the moment is the woolly mammoth which the embryo can be inserted in a female African elephant.
I remember years ago thinking that the mammoth could be cloned & it's embryo could be carried by an elephant. But then I thought that cloning prehistoric animals turned out very BADLY in those Jurassic Park movies. Judging from how scientists & just us humans in general have been handling the Covid situation(which supposedly had something to do with bats having Covid weather manufactured virus given to bats or someone just unluckily ate a bat that happened to have Covid) & the way we act with animal life in general(like the way we preserve wildlife habitats, stop endangered animals from being trophy hunted, & stop exotic animal trading :roll: ); I'm certain that we would majorly botch up cloning extinct animals. We need to focus on learning how to preserve the animal wildlife that we currently have here & prove that we actually can by doing it for a few centuries before we worry about bringing animals back that died off before us humans even existed.


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But if we clone humans then I can think of other females whom would be great to make "take home" clones
I would be intrigued & know who I'd chose if I was single & there was a way to make an adult clone. Raising her from a baby seems very creepy even for me :eew:


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21 Mar 2022, 5:48 pm

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But if we clone humans then I can think of other females whom would be great to make "take home" clones


You're looking to adopt a baby? :scratch:


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21 Mar 2022, 5:51 pm

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But thats not even half of it.

There is a certain odd thing that they have discovered when cloning sheep and other non human mammals.

The cells in the cloned creature are somehow already pre aged -to the age of the original animal when they extracted the cells to be cloned from that adult animal.

In human terms- if your 30- and they clone you. Your baby clone would have cells thirty years old. So when you die of old age at say 80, your fifty year old clone person will also die of old age at around the same future time as you- but at age 50 (thirty years younger than you will be at that time) because your cells were 30 when they cloned you.

So your cloned version of Princess Dianne will be biologially already Lady Spencer's adult age when the lady died. Forty, or whatever it was. So your cloned Dianne will also die young, but of old age like forty years sooner than the original princess wouldve died had she lived out her natural life. So she would be a seperate person- but a kind of twin -who wouldnt have quite the same personality as Dianne, and would be destined die young. Not actually "princess Dianne returned to life".


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TUESDAY, March 8, 2022 -- Could a reset of your cells bring you the fountain of youth?

Maybe so, if a new study testing the technique in mice ever pans out in humans.

Cells in older people and animals have different patterns of chemicals along their DNA -- called epigenetic markers -- compared to younger people or animals.

In this study, researchers said they were able to partially reset cells to more youthful states in middle-aged and elderly mice by adding a mixture of four reprogramming molecules --- Oct4, Sox2, Klf4 and cMyc, also known as "Yamanaka factors" -- to cells.

This approach was tested on three groups of mice. One group received regular doses between 15 months and 22 months of age, about equivalent to 50-70 years in humans. Another mouse group was treated from 12 through 22 months, about 35-70 years in humans, and a third mouse group was treated for just one month at age 25 months, similar to age 80 in humans.

"What we really wanted to establish was that using this approach for a longer time span is safe," said study co-author Pradeep Reddy, a staff scientist at the Salk Institute in La Jolla, Calif.

"Indeed, we did not see any negative effects on the health, behavior or body weight of these animals," Reddy said in a Salk news release.

The mice that were treated for seven or 10 months showed signs of reversals of aging in locations such as the kidneys and skin, but no such changes were seen in mice treated for just one month.

"We are elated that we can use this approach across the life span to slow down aging in normal animals. The technique is both safe and effective in mice," said study co-author Juan Carlos Izpisua Belmonte, a professor in Salk's Gene Expression Laboratory.

"In addition to tackling age-related diseases, this approach may provide the biomedical community with a new tool to restore tissue and organismal health by improving cell function and resilience in different disease situations, such as neurodegenerative diseases," Izpisua Belmonte said in the release.

The researchers now plan to analyze how specific molecules and genes are changed by long-term treatment with the Yamanaka factors, and are also developing new ways of delivering them.

"At the end of the day, we want to bring resilience and function back to older cells so that they are more resistant to stress, injury and disease," Reddy said. "This study shows that, at least in mice, there's a path forward to achieving that."

The findings were published March 7 in the journal Nature Aging.


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21 Mar 2022, 6:20 pm

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There trying to clone the wooly mammoth as well


COMPLETELY different thing.

Reverse extinction is IN THEORY possible. But thats bringing back a whole species. Not an individual member of a species.

If you found enough intact DNA of a dodo bird, or of mammoths, or hell...even Neanderthal humans. you might be able to clone living creatures who are dodo birds, mammoths, or Neanderthal humans. And if you could make enough baby individuals you could get a breeding population going. And in theory after several generations...the once extinct species would be back again.

But thats not the same thing as a "bringing back" a beloved individual. You could clone old rover- your fav pooch. You then would have a puppy who would be genetic copy of rover, but it wouldnt really be Rover "come back to life". Same with your favorite humans and human public figures. If humans as a species got wiped out aliens could use cloning to bring the human species back. But you couldnt bring individual humans back to life.



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21 Mar 2022, 6:25 pm

How would a modern-day African elephant cope with a woolly mammoth fetus?

I believe woolly mammoths were considerably larger than present-day elephants.



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21 Mar 2022, 6:31 pm

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How would a modern-day African elephant cope with a woolly mammoth fetus?

I believe woolly mammoths were considerably larger than present-day elephants.


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The appearance of the woolly mammoth is probably the best known of any prehistoric animal due to the many frozen specimens with preserved soft tissue and depictions by contemporary humans in their art. Fully grown males reached shoulder heights between 2.7 and 3.4 m (8.9 and 11.2 ft) and weighed up to 6 tonnes (6.6 short tons). This is almost as large as extant male African elephants, which commonly reach a shoulder height of 3–3.4 m (9.8–11.2 ft), and is less than the size of the earlier mammoth species M. meridionalis and M. trogontherii, and the contemporary M. columbi.


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21 Mar 2022, 6:33 pm

Oh well.....I stand corrected :)



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21 Mar 2022, 7:05 pm

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How would a modern-day African elephant cope with a woolly mammoth fetus?

I believe woolly mammoths were considerably larger than present-day elephants.
I suspect their fur makes woolly mammoths look a bit larger than they really are.


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21 Mar 2022, 7:40 pm

I'd love to bring back Princess Diana. I have warm memories of her.


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21 Mar 2022, 7:48 pm

nick007 wrote:
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How would a modern-day African elephant cope with a woolly mammoth fetus?

I believe woolly mammoths were considerably larger than present-day elephants.
I suspect their fur makes woolly mammoths look a bit larger than they really are.