would you become neurotypical if given the opportunity?

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would you want to become neurotypical if given the opportunity?
yes (level 1 autistic) 23%  23%  [ 8 ]
yes (level 2 - 3 autistic) 9%  9%  [ 3 ]
yes (self diagnosed) 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
yes (neurodivergent in a way aside from asd) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
no (level 1 autistic) 40%  40%  [ 14 ]
no (level 2 - 3 autistic) 14%  14%  [ 5 ]
no (self diagnosed) 9%  9%  [ 3 ]
no (neurodivergent in a way aside from asd) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 35

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15 Dec 2023, 8:12 am

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Anyone thinking ASD can be cured or otherwise removed shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the condition. You may as well wish yourself out of existence...it would amount to the same thing.


None of that statement is backed up by any scientific or lived evidence or experience.

Saying it doesn’t make it any more real

As far as cure is concerned there is evidence that the opposite is true

Most autism genes are responsible for a tiny but essential job. A mutation in one can cause a protein or enzyme not to be made or made too much of causing autism symptoms down stream.

Through gene editing in animals they fixed these mutations in some experiments and they noticed symptoms decreased or went away.

They could do this tomorrow if they wanted to but they still can’t fix off target genetic mutations that occur in an unacceptable number of cases from all types of gene editing.

However a huge amount of money is being spent on improving editing techniques so in the future it may be a therapy that’s available for many autistic people.

Finally surveys of this type exclude many of those who are too disabled to advocate for themselves including the severely ID so they always hover around 1/3 pro cure as they are top heavy on the least disabled.


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15 Dec 2023, 12:57 pm

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I think human nature drives us to want to be accepted by society so I think deep down all of us want to be accepted by NTs even if we don't think highly of them.

Not so deep down in my case. I've always liked being accepted. As for NTs, I tend to reject "mainstream" people more often than I reject NTs, but I like to give everybody a fair chance. This "oh, that's one of that group, they're horrible / lovely" thing is of limited use. It's a very blunt instrument, but deciding on a case by case basis can take a long time. Me, I'm a very slow, careful thinker who rarely neglects the presence of doubt, so I tend to look like I'm being very righteous and moral about it, but it's actually just my brain wiring that drives me to it.



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15 Dec 2023, 1:05 pm

My autism is very mild and might not even qualify fully as a diagnosis for Level 1. Still, the problems it has caused me, finding so many things difficult or impossible, from driving a car to being able to easily make a phone call, to making friends and having a casual conversation without having to struggle and then have to be exhausted afterwards, plus reacting badly to emotional setbacks and finding myself struggling in so many ways, I would choose to make it all go away if that was possible.

And that's even with valuing things about myself that I think come with autism, like rational thinking and intelligence, loyalty, guilelessness, having a pure heart, steadfastness, not suffering fools gladly, insisting on the truth and being able to see clearly enough to recognize it.

Even if I lost all of that, I would still take having a more livable and less distressing life, with more human connections.



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15 Dec 2023, 1:21 pm

I would absolutely prefer to be a more consistently functional version of myself.
Myself with one less issue to hamper my life would be GREAT.
Bring it on.


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15 Dec 2023, 9:42 pm

I wouldn't be neurotypical if I had the chance. A cure for incontinence would be nice.


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15 Dec 2023, 9:45 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I wouldn't be neurotypical if I had the chance. A cure for incontinence would be nice.


Would you take a cure for improved emotional regulation, or executive function, or some other specific symptom of autism?

Personally, I'd love if I could reduce those deficits for myself. :oops:


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15 Dec 2023, 11:48 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
Not so deep down in my case. I've always liked being accepted. As for NTs, I tend to reject "mainstream" people more often than I reject NTs, but I like to give everybody a fair chance. This "oh, that's one of that group, they're horrible / lovely" thing is of limited use. It's a very blunt instrument, but deciding on a case by case basis can take a long time. Me, I'm a very slow, careful thinker who rarely neglects the presence of doubt, so I tend to look like I'm being very righteous and moral about it, but it's actually just my brain wiring that drives me to it.


Yes it boils down to extrinsic and intrinsic motivation. And yes there are many people driven by intrinsic reasons but I think most want some level of recognition from peers or at the very least, people around them.



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16 Dec 2023, 12:02 am

I recently found out that I'm a Level 2 (there weren't levels back in 2004) and I voted yes. I get nothing positive out of autism or ADHD. I'd be a practicing psychologist now if I weren't autistic. At the least I'd have a casual job where I volunteer two days a week. I'd be able to chat to people and not make a complete fool of myself.

I'd be able to do things on the weekends instead of using those two days as a way of recovering from the working week.



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16 Dec 2023, 4:12 am

The older I get, the more I kept seeing it's not the autism. :| Executive dysfunctions and whatnot issues.

It's something else -- something outside of me being an ND or the premise of 'having autism'.

So I believe that...
Whatever issue I have is probably fixable; in this lifetime, in this reality -- not a mere 'what if' or a hypothesis -- that I don't need to be an NT or a hypothetical autism cure to solve it.

That whatever solution I'm looking for just need happened to also fit around the autism as another factor, no more than being a biological female or whatever my family history has; genetically and externally in circumstances.


And this is just me -- I'm aware that it's not the same with everyone else.

If I were to lose the autism, whatever issue I have is still there.
It's just "more affordable" to have it as an NT.

It will not solve my problem; it'll just be workable.
And thus -- if and only if I feel so victimized and brought this advertised idea of how to live a life in a certain way so badly...


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16 Dec 2023, 4:31 am

For me, it's a bit like a poll for amputees which says 'If your legs could grow back, would you want it to happen?'

Whether there is a 'cure' or not, the real point is that whatever we do has to be in the interests of the autistic person, and only the autistic person. I think every single thing I've ever seen about the search for a 'cure' for autism has centred on the hope it brings to millions of parents. This is so wrong.



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16 Dec 2023, 4:36 am

No, I have finally started figuring out how to navigate life with my autism.....and idk if I was suddenly cured, would I even know how to deal with being a neurotypical. My whole life experiences have been shaped a certain way because I have autism....not sure it would really be so great to just suddenly shed all the autism features, like would I even know what to do with myself....idk...just seems scary to go from autistic to not having autism. Since having autism is all I really know.


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16 Dec 2023, 10:50 am

I would love to be rid of the depression I sometimes get, that often seems to come with ASD. I know that NTs suffer from depression also, but think a good portion of mine is rooted in ASD, and how it caused and causes me to be treated by others.



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16 Dec 2023, 11:54 pm

It would make my life easier but so would killing myself and I'm not particularly interested in that. i don't see the point

now the borderline tendencies and bipolar s**t or whatever, that I can do without



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17 Dec 2023, 12:16 am

I normally would tell people leave me alone; however, with all the cruelty and bullshite
my brothers, as well as most of my cousins on dad’s side of the family, have put me through, I would love to become NT in order extract revenge on them for their hateful, hurtful ways and attitudes toward me. Eff’em all to Hades!



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17 Dec 2023, 12:25 am

MuddRM wrote:
with all the cruelty and bullshite
my brothers, as well as most of my cousins on dad’s side of the family, have put me through, I would love to become NT in order extract revenge on them for their hateful, hurtful ways and attitudes toward me. Eff’em all to Hades!


Unfortunately the dark side of many people is their propensity to be egotistic/judgey and those same people "get off" when picking on those who can't defend themselves in order to boost their self-esteem.

This isn't always unique to NTs. But it is typical of them.



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22 Dec 2023, 3:39 am

I am not even sure what "become neurotypical" at this point in my life would mean. Growing up and forming an adult life as an until pretty recently un-diagnosed Autistic has been a real challenge. It has forced me to adapt and develop strategies and strenghts to handle situations that come naturally for most people. It has made me a stronger person with a lot more grit than the average person. Autism has made me the person I am. If became a neurotypical would I be allowed to keep these strenghts or would I turn into some kind of happy go lucky weakling?


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