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14 Aug 2024, 2:39 pm

The UK has certainly become a more dangerous place in the last decade or so because of the epidemic of knife crime.

Knives are sometimes more dangerous than guns, it takes some training to use a gun, not that easy to get one, where you can get a knife anywhere even make one as they do in prison.

A child can use a knife & they do in parts of the UK, people are also being stabbed in unprovoked attacks sometimes.

I heard a security / martial arts expert say a knife / gun standoff within 5-10 meters, its quicker for knife attacker to rush in & stab before the one with the gun can shoot depending on where his gun is.

Being vulnerable in the UK is dangerous in some towns & cities that's the reality.


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14 Aug 2024, 2:55 pm

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I heard a security / martial arts expert say a knife / gun standoff within 5-10 meters, its quicker for knife attacker to rush in & stab before the one with the gun can shoot depending on where his gun is.


I've heard this expressed as the 21 foot rule. From 20 feet away my stick beats your gun because I can have you clobbered before you can guarantee I'm shot.


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14 Aug 2024, 3:34 pm

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Is there anyone on the ground who has actually seen what's going on with their own eyes? I don't trust the news, really.


I share your skeptism.



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14 Aug 2024, 7:51 pm

Are the riots only in some parts of England or all over the country?


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14 Aug 2024, 11:25 pm

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15 Aug 2024, 4:20 am

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Are the riots only in some parts of England or all over the country?


According to the news, it is all over the UK including Wales, but no one I know of living anywhere seems to have seen them or know anything about it.



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15 Aug 2024, 4:27 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
Are the riots only in some parts of England or all over the country?
According to the news, it is all over the UK including Wales, but no one I know of living anywhere seems to have seen them or know anything about it from real life other than what was said in the news which is strange!
Er, which tends to indicate that the truth of the matter is that it was restricted to a few places and now, even fewer. AFAIK there are currently no active trouble spots.

It never was an "OMG, OMG the UK is in flames!! !! 8O " situation.


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15 Aug 2024, 5:07 am

Cornflake wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
Are the riots only in some parts of England or all over the country?
According to the news, it is all over the UK including Wales, but no one I know of living anywhere seems to have seen them or know anything about it from real life other than what was said in the news which is strange!
Er, which tends to indicate that the truth of the matter is that it was restricted to a few places and now, even fewer. AFAIK there are currently no active trouble spots.

It never was an "OMG, OMG the UK is in flames!! ! ! 8O " situation.


Is only in the virtual world of the TV presenters where they make three or four arrests in just one or two events into thousands of arrests and riots right around the country!

News presenters have to have good imagination these days to get the job.



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15 Aug 2024, 5:12 am

^ Yep, sad but true.
Certain areas of the media seem to thrive on a diet of dissent, hate and troublemaking.


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15 Aug 2024, 5:13 am

There were attacks near my neck of the woods, but they didn't attack the woods directly. I live in an area with low immigration, but it is surrounded by areas with high immigration. So the pattern of attacks was quite noticeable.


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15 Aug 2024, 8:59 am

Cornflake wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
Are the riots only in some parts of England or all over the country?
According to the news, it is all over the UK including Wales, but no one I know of living anywhere seems to have seen them or know anything about it from real life other than what was said in the news which is strange!
Er, which tends to indicate that the truth of the matter is that it was restricted to a few places and now, even fewer. AFAIK there are currently no active trouble spots.

It never was an "OMG, OMG the UK is in flames!! ! ! 8O " situation.

They were in many different places but in the places where they occurred they were localized to a few blocks or places where immigrants are being housed.

It happened in Belfast, Ireland also.


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15 Aug 2024, 3:24 pm

The BBC made a helpful graphic showing the locations -
(right-click | open image in new tab for a better view)

AFAIK none are still active - but that might change when Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (who masquerades as "Tommy Robinson") returns from his holiday.

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17 Aug 2024, 3:19 pm

carlos55 wrote:
The UK has certainly become a more dangerous place in the last decade or so because of the epidemic of knife crime.

I'm not sure this is true.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... gmarch2023

Homicide rate bounces around a bit, but the big peak was roughly 2000-2008. The graph slightly exaggerates things because of 1) the 7/7 terrorist attacks, and 2) Harold Shipman's 173 murders all counting for 2003 despite being committed over 25 years. But the country is pretty much as safe as at any point in the last 50 years, and considerably safer than in the US.



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17 Aug 2024, 3:34 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
The UK has certainly become a more dangerous place in the last decade or so because of the epidemic of knife crime.

I'm not sure this is true.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... gmarch2023

Homicide rate bounces around a bit, but the big peak was roughly 2000-2008. The graph slightly exaggerates things because of 1) the 7/7 terrorist attacks, and 2) Harold Shipman's 173 murders all counting for 2003 despite being committed over 25 years. But the country is pretty much as safe as at any point in the last 50 years, and considerably safer than in the US.


Truley a Sad commentery on the USA.. :oops: ..... :(


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17 Aug 2024, 7:49 pm

There goes my dream vacation.


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