Trump is 'safe following gunshots in his vicinity'
16 Sep 2024, 4:50 pm
Not being able to reconcile those things is one of the things that first made me question my faith. The idea of a god observing unspeakable suffering and not doing a damn thing about it when he is capable is horrifying. If he does exist, he's wicked and not worthy of my worship although given the lack of evidence it's more of a thought exercise than anything else.
Trump's s**t behavior is extremely minor in comparison to YHWH's inaction and Biblical shenanigans.
16 Sep 2024, 5:13 pm
^^^Using the god analogy to it's ultimate conclusion, trump's behaviour is/has been enabled by a "fallen flock". In the bible the "chosen people" became wicked many times and god had no choice but to test them many times. Judging by the bible alone the pattern was sin-God's wrath-repentance-rinse-repeat. Humanity are anything if predictable. We never learn, go back and seek false prophets - rinse repeat.
16 Sep 2024, 5:34 pm
Based on my personal reading of the Bible, it’s more like God is an as*hole who has unreasonable expectations/arbitrary, stupid rules and then punishes people inhumanely when they don’t live up to them. His behavior is not that surprising considering that he was created in ancient societies by folks who had ancient morality.
With that being said, I wonder if Biblical injustice being presented in a positive way could desensitize people when it comes to Trump’s behavior. I’ve kind of observed the desensitization thing among people in my former religious community.
16 Sep 2024, 5:40 pm
TwilightPrincess wrote:
Based on my personal reading of the Bible, it’s more like God is an as*hole who has unreasonable expectations/arbitrary, stupid rules and then punishes people inhumanely when they don’t live up to them. His behavior is not that surprising considering that he was created in ancient societies by folks who apparently had ancient morality..
Note the highlighted part - he made us in his image. So makes sense right. We evolve to the point where we really should know better - yet in 2024 somebody like trump can be seriously considered to lead the free world.
16 Sep 2024, 5:47 pm
God was created in the image of the ancient folks who wrote the Bible. Obviously, our morality has evolved greatly since then, not that we’re perfect, but most of us think it’s wrong to stone people to death for example. Stuff like the Enlightenment and evolving humanistic values make us quite a bit different than ancient people and YHWH by extension.
16 Sep 2024, 5:56 pm
the bible was cobbled together from jewish scriptures about the time people like Plato were writing and people at the time were observant of social psychology. Societies go through regular cycles of ascending to heights only to "fall". the ancients naturally attributed this to human folly and the "fall" a result of god's wrath. It's weaved through all ancient myths. Read ancient Greek stories, they are not that different to biblical tales from the old testament.
16 Sep 2024, 6:02 pm
I studied Classical literature in college, so I’m quite familiar with texts from Ancient Greece and Rome. Portions of the Bible were strongly influenced by the Epic of Gilgamesh which is a Mesopotamian text.
Have you ever read the Bible? I’ve read the Bible and various works by scholars such as Bart Ehrman. I find textual criticism particularly interesting as it pertains to the Bible.
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16 Sep 2024, 6:12 pm
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Have you ever read the Bible? I’ve read the Bible and various works by scholars such as Bart Ehrman. I find textual criticism particularly interesting as it pertains to the Bible.
I read the bible a few times in my teens and 20s. Kind of rusty now. Yes, the epic of Gilgamesh and the Laws of Hamurabi seem like logical Precursors to many old testament stories and Jewish laws.
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16 Sep 2024, 6:33 pm
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Possibly, though the very idea of that is terrifying.
I'm not sure why it would be any more terrifying than any other concept of god. If you're trying to explain natural suffering, an imperfect demiurge makes more sense than an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good and all-present god who allows suffering anyways.
I'd argue that natural suffering can't be reconciled with a creator god that possesses those four omnis, so a malicious god seems much more believable than the more common understandings.
I guess I'm too much of a Lutheran, seeing God as the man dying on the cross for universal grace.
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16 Sep 2024, 6:59 pm
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funeralxempire wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Possibly, though the very idea of that is terrifying.
I'm not sure why it would be any more terrifying than any other concept of god. If you're trying to explain natural suffering, an imperfect demiurge makes more sense than an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good and all-present god who allows suffering anyways.
I'd argue that natural suffering can't be reconciled with a creator god that possesses those four omnis, so a malicious god seems much more believable than the more common understandings.
I guess I'm too much of a Lutheran, seeing God as the man dying on the cross for universal grace.
It's hard to reconcile the teachings of Christ with the nature of the god of the Old Testament. Other, now heretical sects have offered much more coherent answers than those offered by mainstream Christianity.
Marcion and other gnostic types usually split 'God the father' from YHWH, leaving YHWH as the creator of the physical universe and 'God the father' as the true supreme being and the father of Christ. In their eyes Jesus saved humanity from YHWH and the physical prison he created.
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The man arrested in connection with an apparent attempt to assassinate Donald Trump is a former supporter who turned against the former president in part for foreign policy reasons and later traveled to Ukraine, where he made an ill-fated attempt to raise a volunteer force to fight the Russians.
The revelations about Ryan Wesley Routh emerged Monday, a day after a Secret Service agent rousted him from a hiding place at the West Palm Beach, Florida, golf course where Trump had been playing. Sheriff’s deputies later took him into custody.
Routh, it was revealed in court papers, had been camped out in a wooded area with a loaded SKS-style rifle near the course for 12 hours before he was spotted, raising new questions about whether the Secret Service was doing enough to protect a politician who had already survived one assassination attempt.
Trump was on the fifth fairway and not in Routh’s line of sight when the agent “engaged” the suspect, said Ronald Rowe, acting director of the Secret Service. Routh also never fired his weapon.
But Routh, 58, was equipped to kill, the criminal complaint said.
In addition to a digital camera and two bags, investigators found a loaded SKS-style 7.62x39 caliber rifle with a scope that had an “obliterated” serial number and a black plastic bag containing food likely to sustain Routh while he waited in the wooded area.
Routh was arraigned Monday at the Paul G. Rogers Federal Court House in West Palm Beach on charges of possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number.
The FBI has confirmed it is investigating “an apparent attempted assassination” of Trump on Sunday, but so far Routh has not been charged with trying to kill him.
Body camera video released by the Martin County Sheriff’s Office shows Routh wearing sunglasses and a pink T-shirt pulled over his head, exposing his midsection. He had been told to pull his shirt up to show he had no concealed weapons, Martin County Sheriff William Snyder told NBC News. He was arrested without incident.
The next day, Routh appeared unruffled, dressed in prison scrubs during his brief court appearance. He said he has a 25-year-old son, and he told the judge he has no money but owns two trucks in Hawaii, where he now lives, that are worth about $1,000 each.
Represented by a public defender, Routh was given a Sept. 23 return court date and was then sent back to jail.
There was no discussion of a possible motive. In a self-published book, Routh said he voted for Trump in 2016 and came to regret it after Trump made what he called a “tremendous blunder” in 2018 and withdrew the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal.
“I must take part of the blame,” he wrote in “Ukraine’s Unwinnable War: The Fatal Flaw of Democracy, World Abandonment and the Global Citizen-Taiwan, Afghanistan, North Korea and the end of Humanity,” which was published last year. He added that Trump “ended up being brainless, but I am man enough to say that I misjudged and made a terrible mistake and Iran I apologize.”
“You are free to assassinate Trump as well as me for that error in judgement and the dismantling of the deal,” Routh wrote.
Then he added, “No one here in the U.S. seems to have the balls to put natural selection to work or even unnatural selection.”
Federal investigators released a criminal complaint that said Routh had been staking out Trump International Golf Club for about 12 hours, starting at 1:59 a.m. Sunday, until 1:31 p.m. Sunday, when a Secret Service agent walking the perimeter saw what appeared to be a rifle poking out of a tree line.
The agent, the complaint says, fired in the direction of the rifle and flushed out a man, later identified as Routh, who was seen getting into a Nissan SUV and driving away, according to a witness. Officers located the vehicle and pulled Routh over on Interstate 95 less than an hour later, and the witness who saw him leaving the golf course identified him.
Routh has, of late, been living in a small town outside Honolulu with his son, according to public records and statements made in court. But he had spent most of his life in Greensboro, North Carolina, where he ran a roofing business, according to public records. Records show he had more than 100 run-ins with the law but never did any time.
In 2002, court records show, Routh was convicted of illegally possessing a machine gun.
Court records for a person named Ryan Routh also show a 2003 divorce, along with multiple civil judgments after contractors and individuals sued a roofing company he helped run.
Routh still has kin in Greensboro, according to a public records search. His relatives were reluctant to speak with reporters Monday.
A former neighbor, Kim Mungo, said Routh lived next door to her for 18 years and never brought up politics or Ukraine with her. She described him as “gorgeous” and said the house belonged to his ex-wife.
Mungo said she had been watching over the house while Routh was moving permanently to Hawaii.
Asked whether she ever saw weapons in the residence, Mungo said she had seen some rifles — and one very large animal.
Routh was active on social media. In 2020, he posted on Twitter (now X) that he had supported Trump in 2016 but was deeply disappointed in him. He also used X to signal his support for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., who was then running for the Democratic presidential nomination. And like Trump, he disparaged President Joe Biden as “Sleepy Joe.”
In his 291-page tome, Routh bristled at being pinned down as a political partisan.
“I get so tired of people asking me if I am a Democrat or Republican as I refuse to be put into a category and I must always answer independant,” he wrote.
Routh disparaged Trump as a “fool” and a “buffoon,” but he credited him for reaching out to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
Biden “has yet to be man enough to make that phone call and do the right thing,” Routh wrote.
Routh was also a vocal supporter of Ukraine and visited it in 2022. That summer, NBC News spoke with Routh, who said in a message that the West’s “limited response” to the Russia-Ukraine war was “extremely disappointing” and called the moment “an indictment of the entire human race.” There was never any formal interview, and Routh’s comments were not included in NBC News’ coverage of the war.
In an interview with Newsweek Romania in 2022, Routh said he had volunteered to fight for the International Legion for the Defense of Ukraine but was turned down because of his age and lack of combat experience.
Instead, Routh claimed, he opted to help with military recruitment efforts in Kyiv. A representative of the International Legion told NBC News on Monday that Routh never served in its military.
In his book, Routh appeared to be unhappy with how the government in Kyiv treats foreigners who joined its fight against Russia.
The revelations about Ryan Wesley Routh emerged Monday, a day after a Secret Service agent rousted him from a hiding place at the West Palm Beach, Florida, golf course where Trump had been playing. Sheriff’s deputies later took him into custody.
Routh, it was revealed in court papers, had been camped out in a wooded area with a loaded SKS-style rifle near the course for 12 hours before he was spotted, raising new questions about whether the Secret Service was doing enough to protect a politician who had already survived one assassination attempt.
Trump was on the fifth fairway and not in Routh’s line of sight when the agent “engaged” the suspect, said Ronald Rowe, acting director of the Secret Service. Routh also never fired his weapon.
But Routh, 58, was equipped to kill, the criminal complaint said.
In addition to a digital camera and two bags, investigators found a loaded SKS-style 7.62x39 caliber rifle with a scope that had an “obliterated” serial number and a black plastic bag containing food likely to sustain Routh while he waited in the wooded area.
Routh was arraigned Monday at the Paul G. Rogers Federal Court House in West Palm Beach on charges of possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number.
The FBI has confirmed it is investigating “an apparent attempted assassination” of Trump on Sunday, but so far Routh has not been charged with trying to kill him.
Body camera video released by the Martin County Sheriff’s Office shows Routh wearing sunglasses and a pink T-shirt pulled over his head, exposing his midsection. He had been told to pull his shirt up to show he had no concealed weapons, Martin County Sheriff William Snyder told NBC News. He was arrested without incident.
The next day, Routh appeared unruffled, dressed in prison scrubs during his brief court appearance. He said he has a 25-year-old son, and he told the judge he has no money but owns two trucks in Hawaii, where he now lives, that are worth about $1,000 each.
Represented by a public defender, Routh was given a Sept. 23 return court date and was then sent back to jail.
There was no discussion of a possible motive. In a self-published book, Routh said he voted for Trump in 2016 and came to regret it after Trump made what he called a “tremendous blunder” in 2018 and withdrew the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal.
“I must take part of the blame,” he wrote in “Ukraine’s Unwinnable War: The Fatal Flaw of Democracy, World Abandonment and the Global Citizen-Taiwan, Afghanistan, North Korea and the end of Humanity,” which was published last year. He added that Trump “ended up being brainless, but I am man enough to say that I misjudged and made a terrible mistake and Iran I apologize.”
“You are free to assassinate Trump as well as me for that error in judgement and the dismantling of the deal,” Routh wrote.
Then he added, “No one here in the U.S. seems to have the balls to put natural selection to work or even unnatural selection.”
Federal investigators released a criminal complaint that said Routh had been staking out Trump International Golf Club for about 12 hours, starting at 1:59 a.m. Sunday, until 1:31 p.m. Sunday, when a Secret Service agent walking the perimeter saw what appeared to be a rifle poking out of a tree line.
The agent, the complaint says, fired in the direction of the rifle and flushed out a man, later identified as Routh, who was seen getting into a Nissan SUV and driving away, according to a witness. Officers located the vehicle and pulled Routh over on Interstate 95 less than an hour later, and the witness who saw him leaving the golf course identified him.
Routh has, of late, been living in a small town outside Honolulu with his son, according to public records and statements made in court. But he had spent most of his life in Greensboro, North Carolina, where he ran a roofing business, according to public records. Records show he had more than 100 run-ins with the law but never did any time.
In 2002, court records show, Routh was convicted of illegally possessing a machine gun.
Court records for a person named Ryan Routh also show a 2003 divorce, along with multiple civil judgments after contractors and individuals sued a roofing company he helped run.
Routh still has kin in Greensboro, according to a public records search. His relatives were reluctant to speak with reporters Monday.
A former neighbor, Kim Mungo, said Routh lived next door to her for 18 years and never brought up politics or Ukraine with her. She described him as “gorgeous” and said the house belonged to his ex-wife.
Mungo said she had been watching over the house while Routh was moving permanently to Hawaii.
Asked whether she ever saw weapons in the residence, Mungo said she had seen some rifles — and one very large animal.
Routh was active on social media. In 2020, he posted on Twitter (now X) that he had supported Trump in 2016 but was deeply disappointed in him. He also used X to signal his support for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., who was then running for the Democratic presidential nomination. And like Trump, he disparaged President Joe Biden as “Sleepy Joe.”
In his 291-page tome, Routh bristled at being pinned down as a political partisan.
“I get so tired of people asking me if I am a Democrat or Republican as I refuse to be put into a category and I must always answer independant,” he wrote.
Routh disparaged Trump as a “fool” and a “buffoon,” but he credited him for reaching out to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
Biden “has yet to be man enough to make that phone call and do the right thing,” Routh wrote.
Routh was also a vocal supporter of Ukraine and visited it in 2022. That summer, NBC News spoke with Routh, who said in a message that the West’s “limited response” to the Russia-Ukraine war was “extremely disappointing” and called the moment “an indictment of the entire human race.” There was never any formal interview, and Routh’s comments were not included in NBC News’ coverage of the war.
In an interview with Newsweek Romania in 2022, Routh said he had volunteered to fight for the International Legion for the Defense of Ukraine but was turned down because of his age and lack of combat experience.
Instead, Routh claimed, he opted to help with military recruitment efforts in Kyiv. A representative of the International Legion told NBC News on Monday that Routh never served in its military.
In his book, Routh appeared to be unhappy with how the government in Kyiv treats foreigners who joined its fight against Russia.
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16 Sep 2024, 10:15 pm
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Ryan Routh was camped out for 12 hours and didn't have Trump in his line of sight when Secret Service fired at him
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The man arrested in connection with an apparent attempt to assassinate Donald Trump is a former supporter who turned against the former president in part for foreign policy reasons and later traveled to Ukraine, where he made an ill-fated attempt to raise a volunteer force to fight the Russians.
The revelations about Ryan Wesley Routh emerged Monday, a day after a Secret Service agent rousted him from a hiding place at the West Palm Beach, Florida, golf course where Trump had been playing. Sheriff’s deputies later took him into custody.
Routh, it was revealed in court papers, had been camped out in a wooded area with a loaded SKS-style rifle near the course for 12 hours before he was spotted, raising new questions about whether the Secret Service was doing enough to protect a politician who had already survived one assassination attempt.
Trump was on the fifth fairway and not in Routh’s line of sight when the agent “engaged” the suspect, said Ronald Rowe, acting director of the Secret Service. Routh also never fired his weapon.
But Routh, 58, was equipped to kill, the criminal complaint said.
In addition to a digital camera and two bags, investigators found a loaded SKS-style 7.62x39 caliber rifle with a scope that had an “obliterated” serial number and a black plastic bag containing food likely to sustain Routh while he waited in the wooded area.
Routh was arraigned Monday at the Paul G. Rogers Federal Court House in West Palm Beach on charges of possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number.
The FBI has confirmed it is investigating “an apparent attempted assassination” of Trump on Sunday, but so far Routh has not been charged with trying to kill him.
Body camera video released by the Martin County Sheriff’s Office shows Routh wearing sunglasses and a pink T-shirt pulled over his head, exposing his midsection. He had been told to pull his shirt up to show he had no concealed weapons, Martin County Sheriff William Snyder told NBC News. He was arrested without incident.
The next day, Routh appeared unruffled, dressed in prison scrubs during his brief court appearance. He said he has a 25-year-old son, and he told the judge he has no money but owns two trucks in Hawaii, where he now lives, that are worth about $1,000 each.
Represented by a public defender, Routh was given a Sept. 23 return court date and was then sent back to jail.
There was no discussion of a possible motive. In a self-published book, Routh said he voted for Trump in 2016 and came to regret it after Trump made what he called a “tremendous blunder” in 2018 and withdrew the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal.
“I must take part of the blame,” he wrote in “Ukraine’s Unwinnable War: The Fatal Flaw of Democracy, World Abandonment and the Global Citizen-Taiwan, Afghanistan, North Korea and the end of Humanity,” which was published last year. He added that Trump “ended up being brainless, but I am man enough to say that I misjudged and made a terrible mistake and Iran I apologize.”
“You are free to assassinate Trump as well as me for that error in judgement and the dismantling of the deal,” Routh wrote.
Then he added, “No one here in the U.S. seems to have the balls to put natural selection to work or even unnatural selection.”
Federal investigators released a criminal complaint that said Routh had been staking out Trump International Golf Club for about 12 hours, starting at 1:59 a.m. Sunday, until 1:31 p.m. Sunday, when a Secret Service agent walking the perimeter saw what appeared to be a rifle poking out of a tree line.
The agent, the complaint says, fired in the direction of the rifle and flushed out a man, later identified as Routh, who was seen getting into a Nissan SUV and driving away, according to a witness. Officers located the vehicle and pulled Routh over on Interstate 95 less than an hour later, and the witness who saw him leaving the golf course identified him.
Routh has, of late, been living in a small town outside Honolulu with his son, according to public records and statements made in court. But he had spent most of his life in Greensboro, North Carolina, where he ran a roofing business, according to public records. Records show he had more than 100 run-ins with the law but never did any time.
In 2002, court records show, Routh was convicted of illegally possessing a machine gun.
Court records for a person named Ryan Routh also show a 2003 divorce, along with multiple civil judgments after contractors and individuals sued a roofing company he helped run.
Routh still has kin in Greensboro, according to a public records search. His relatives were reluctant to speak with reporters Monday.
A former neighbor, Kim Mungo, said Routh lived next door to her for 18 years and never brought up politics or Ukraine with her. She described him as “gorgeous” and said the house belonged to his ex-wife.
Mungo said she had been watching over the house while Routh was moving permanently to Hawaii.
Asked whether she ever saw weapons in the residence, Mungo said she had seen some rifles — and one very large animal.
Routh was active on social media. In 2020, he posted on Twitter (now X) that he had supported Trump in 2016 but was deeply disappointed in him. He also used X to signal his support for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., who was then running for the Democratic presidential nomination. And like Trump, he disparaged President Joe Biden as “Sleepy Joe.”
In his 291-page tome, Routh bristled at being pinned down as a political partisan.
“I get so tired of people asking me if I am a Democrat or Republican as I refuse to be put into a category and I must always answer independant,” he wrote.
Routh disparaged Trump as a “fool” and a “buffoon,” but he credited him for reaching out to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
Biden “has yet to be man enough to make that phone call and do the right thing,” Routh wrote.
Routh was also a vocal supporter of Ukraine and visited it in 2022. That summer, NBC News spoke with Routh, who said in a message that the West’s “limited response” to the Russia-Ukraine war was “extremely disappointing” and called the moment “an indictment of the entire human race.” There was never any formal interview, and Routh’s comments were not included in NBC News’ coverage of the war.
In an interview with Newsweek Romania in 2022, Routh said he had volunteered to fight for the International Legion for the Defense of Ukraine but was turned down because of his age and lack of combat experience.
Instead, Routh claimed, he opted to help with military recruitment efforts in Kyiv. A representative of the International Legion told NBC News on Monday that Routh never served in its military.
In his book, Routh appeared to be unhappy with how the government in Kyiv treats foreigners who joined its fight against Russia.
The revelations about Ryan Wesley Routh emerged Monday, a day after a Secret Service agent rousted him from a hiding place at the West Palm Beach, Florida, golf course where Trump had been playing. Sheriff’s deputies later took him into custody.
Routh, it was revealed in court papers, had been camped out in a wooded area with a loaded SKS-style rifle near the course for 12 hours before he was spotted, raising new questions about whether the Secret Service was doing enough to protect a politician who had already survived one assassination attempt.
Trump was on the fifth fairway and not in Routh’s line of sight when the agent “engaged” the suspect, said Ronald Rowe, acting director of the Secret Service. Routh also never fired his weapon.
But Routh, 58, was equipped to kill, the criminal complaint said.
In addition to a digital camera and two bags, investigators found a loaded SKS-style 7.62x39 caliber rifle with a scope that had an “obliterated” serial number and a black plastic bag containing food likely to sustain Routh while he waited in the wooded area.
Routh was arraigned Monday at the Paul G. Rogers Federal Court House in West Palm Beach on charges of possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number.
The FBI has confirmed it is investigating “an apparent attempted assassination” of Trump on Sunday, but so far Routh has not been charged with trying to kill him.
Body camera video released by the Martin County Sheriff’s Office shows Routh wearing sunglasses and a pink T-shirt pulled over his head, exposing his midsection. He had been told to pull his shirt up to show he had no concealed weapons, Martin County Sheriff William Snyder told NBC News. He was arrested without incident.
The next day, Routh appeared unruffled, dressed in prison scrubs during his brief court appearance. He said he has a 25-year-old son, and he told the judge he has no money but owns two trucks in Hawaii, where he now lives, that are worth about $1,000 each.
Represented by a public defender, Routh was given a Sept. 23 return court date and was then sent back to jail.
There was no discussion of a possible motive. In a self-published book, Routh said he voted for Trump in 2016 and came to regret it after Trump made what he called a “tremendous blunder” in 2018 and withdrew the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal.
“I must take part of the blame,” he wrote in “Ukraine’s Unwinnable War: The Fatal Flaw of Democracy, World Abandonment and the Global Citizen-Taiwan, Afghanistan, North Korea and the end of Humanity,” which was published last year. He added that Trump “ended up being brainless, but I am man enough to say that I misjudged and made a terrible mistake and Iran I apologize.”
“You are free to assassinate Trump as well as me for that error in judgement and the dismantling of the deal,” Routh wrote.
Then he added, “No one here in the U.S. seems to have the balls to put natural selection to work or even unnatural selection.”
Federal investigators released a criminal complaint that said Routh had been staking out Trump International Golf Club for about 12 hours, starting at 1:59 a.m. Sunday, until 1:31 p.m. Sunday, when a Secret Service agent walking the perimeter saw what appeared to be a rifle poking out of a tree line.
The agent, the complaint says, fired in the direction of the rifle and flushed out a man, later identified as Routh, who was seen getting into a Nissan SUV and driving away, according to a witness. Officers located the vehicle and pulled Routh over on Interstate 95 less than an hour later, and the witness who saw him leaving the golf course identified him.
Routh has, of late, been living in a small town outside Honolulu with his son, according to public records and statements made in court. But he had spent most of his life in Greensboro, North Carolina, where he ran a roofing business, according to public records. Records show he had more than 100 run-ins with the law but never did any time.
In 2002, court records show, Routh was convicted of illegally possessing a machine gun.
Court records for a person named Ryan Routh also show a 2003 divorce, along with multiple civil judgments after contractors and individuals sued a roofing company he helped run.
Routh still has kin in Greensboro, according to a public records search. His relatives were reluctant to speak with reporters Monday.
A former neighbor, Kim Mungo, said Routh lived next door to her for 18 years and never brought up politics or Ukraine with her. She described him as “gorgeous” and said the house belonged to his ex-wife.
Mungo said she had been watching over the house while Routh was moving permanently to Hawaii.
Asked whether she ever saw weapons in the residence, Mungo said she had seen some rifles — and one very large animal.
Routh was active on social media. In 2020, he posted on Twitter (now X) that he had supported Trump in 2016 but was deeply disappointed in him. He also used X to signal his support for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., who was then running for the Democratic presidential nomination. And like Trump, he disparaged President Joe Biden as “Sleepy Joe.”
In his 291-page tome, Routh bristled at being pinned down as a political partisan.
“I get so tired of people asking me if I am a Democrat or Republican as I refuse to be put into a category and I must always answer independant,” he wrote.
Routh disparaged Trump as a “fool” and a “buffoon,” but he credited him for reaching out to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
Biden “has yet to be man enough to make that phone call and do the right thing,” Routh wrote.
Routh was also a vocal supporter of Ukraine and visited it in 2022. That summer, NBC News spoke with Routh, who said in a message that the West’s “limited response” to the Russia-Ukraine war was “extremely disappointing” and called the moment “an indictment of the entire human race.” There was never any formal interview, and Routh’s comments were not included in NBC News’ coverage of the war.
In an interview with Newsweek Romania in 2022, Routh said he had volunteered to fight for the International Legion for the Defense of Ukraine but was turned down because of his age and lack of combat experience.
Instead, Routh claimed, he opted to help with military recruitment efforts in Kyiv. A representative of the International Legion told NBC News on Monday that Routh never served in its military.
In his book, Routh appeared to be unhappy with how the government in Kyiv treats foreigners who joined its fight against Russia.
Doesn't sound like the Biden/Harris supporter MAGA is trying to make him out to be.
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17 Sep 2024, 1:38 am
ASPartOfMe wrote:
[url=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ryan-routh-was-camped-12-hours-didnt-trump-line-sight-secret-service-f-rcna171290]Ryan Routh was camped out for 12 hours and didn't have Trump in his line of sight when Secret Service fired at him
12hrs! Maybe he was aiming for trump's ear?
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17 Sep 2024, 1:51 am
cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
[url=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ryan-routh-was-camped-12-hours-didnt-trump-line-sight-secret-service-f-rcna171290]Ryan Routh was camped out for 12 hours and didn't have Trump in his line of sight when Secret Service fired at him
12hrs! Maybe he was aiming for trump's ear?
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