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Yesterday, 3:26 pm

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Robert Roberson.  Are you familiar with this story?
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Robert Leslie Roberson III (born November 10, 1966) is an American convicted murderer currently on death row for the murder of his two-year-old daughter in 2002. Roberson was reported to have assaulted his daughter severely and caused her death, and he was therefore convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death in 2003, and had lost his appeals since. (Wikipedia)

Autism should never be used to mitigate a murder conviction, nor should it ever be used as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card.


Yeah idk I have a hard time seeing how autism is an excuse for shaking a baby generally, unless they also had a severe mental disability to where they should not have been handed a baby in the first place because they aren't mentally there enough to know how to treat a baby I could see that being more on the parents but does not seem the case here. I have autism and met my boyfriends sisters baby and never once thought of picking her up and violently shaking her even though I don't really know how to interact with a baby I know you at least have to be very gentle with them and I think most autistic people know that. So does not seem like a valid excuse. Still I disagree with the death pentalty so I don't agree with that part I think they should just get life in prison, but yeah autism is not an excuse for that I don't think.



Lemme guess, they will blame it on meltdowns and say he didn't abuse his ex and two older kids and his daughter they saw he shook a couple times because "meltdowns" you know. :roll:

How many times have I see this arguement for why autistic people are not abusers when they are aggressive or put holes in walls or beat someone up?


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Yesterday, 4:45 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Fnord wrote:
123autism wrote:
Robert Roberson.  Are you familiar with this story?
Yes.

Robert Leslie Roberson III (born November 10, 1966) is an American convicted murderer currently on death row for the murder of his two-year-old daughter in 2002. Roberson was reported to have assaulted his daughter severely and caused her death, and he was therefore convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death in 2003, and had lost his appeals since. (Wikipedia)

Autism should never be used to mitigate a murder conviction, nor should it ever be used as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card.


Yeah idk I have a hard time seeing how autism is an excuse for shaking a baby generally, unless they also had a severe mental disability to where they should not have been handed a baby in the first place because they aren't mentally there enough to know how to treat a baby I could see that being more on the parents but does not seem the case here. I have autism and met my boyfriends sisters baby and never once thought of picking her up and violently shaking her even though I don't really know how to interact with a baby I know you at least have to be very gentle with them and I think most autistic people know that. So does not seem like a valid excuse. Still I disagree with the death pentalty so I don't agree with that part I think they should just get life in prison, but yeah autism is not an excuse for that I don't think.

That's not really the relevant bit. The relevant bit is that they went after him due to having an "odd" reaction. And he allegedly admitted to it, but from what I read, it's unclear as to whether he actually believed it, or if it's the case of police tricking him into admitting something that he didn't do. And, quite honestly, that happens a lot more than it should to NTs. And it is something that we are somewhat more susceptible to than a typical person is.

What it all means, is that if the kid was shaken, that should have been charged as some form of child abuse. The actual death likely was separate from any abuse that may or may not have occurred and when the sentencing was done, it really shouldn't have involved consideration over the emotional response as it's not relevant given the real possibility that there wasn't even a crime to convict anybody of.



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Yesterday, 9:12 pm

Robert Roberson, whose Texas execution was halted, may appear in person at legislative hearing

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Robert Roberson, the condemned man whose execution was halted late Thursday because of an unprecedented legal gambit by Texas lawmakers, is expected to appear in person Monday at a legislative hearing in Austin, his legal representatives said.

Roberson, who was set to become the first person in the U.S. to be executed for a “shaken baby” death, narrowly averted the execution chamber after the lawmakers, with only hours to spare, obtained a temporary restraining order from a district court judge that stopped the execution.

The lawmakers, members of a state House committee, had issued a subpoena late Wednesday for Roberson to testify in his case as it relates to a 2013 “junk science” law that allows Texas inmates to potentially challenge convictions based on advances in forensic science. The subpoena was issued to help buy more time for Roberson, who has bipartisan support.

Roberson, 57, has maintained his innocence in the 2002 death of his 2-year-old daughter, Nikki. At the time, doctors and law enforcement quickly concluded she was killed as a result of a violent shaking episode, leading to his conviction at trial, but Roberson’s defense says new understanding of so-called shaken baby syndrome shows that other medical conditions can be factors in a child’s death, as they believe it was in Nikki’s.

The Office of the Attorney General quickly appealed the district court judge’s temporary injunction to the state’s highest criminal court, which agreed with allowing Roberson’s execution to continue. But lawmakers then petitioned their case to the Texas Supreme Court late Thursday as the hours ticked down before midnight — when Roberson’s death warrant was set to expire.

The high court, which is currently made up of nine Republican-elected justices, ultimately agreed to a stay, or a halting of the execution, although it did not specify for how long, and ordered the lower court to move swiftly to resolve a separation-of-powers issue.

A spokesperson for the state Department of Criminal Justice said Friday that the agency will comply with the subpoena, without commenting on the logistics of Roberson’s potential in-person appearance before the Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence. Lawmakers have also suggested he could appear via video link.

State Rep. Brian Harrison, a Republican who helped to introduce the motion to subpoena Roberson, acknowledged Friday that although the execution was blocked, various issues remain at play.

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“We’re in novel and uncharted territory,” Harrison said. “We’re not in a day-by-day situation. We’re in an hour-by-hour and a minute-by-minute situation.”

Brian Wice, a Houston lawyer who specializes in appellate and post-conviction litigation, called the legal maneuvering to stop the execution “extraordinary” because it took the state Supreme Court, a last resort for civil cases and with limited criminal jurisdiction, to intervene.

He said that after Roberson testifies Monday, it will be up to the attorney general’s office to seek another death warrant, but the execution could be further delayed if the hearing results in some other legal filing with merit or Gov. Greg Abbott agrees to a 30-day reprieve. Abbott has not commented publicly about what, if anything, he plans to do.

On Thursday, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to intervene.

“By and large, Mr. Roberson is out of legal options,” Wice said. “At this point, the doors to the courthouse have essentially been locked.”


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