Autistic adults exempt from jury duty

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15 Jan 2023, 7:04 am

you have my honest sympathy, that would rile me.



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15 Jan 2023, 7:41 am

In my 13 years of being a member here, I have learnt that most Aspies are impartial, which sometimes gets on my nerves.


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15 Jan 2023, 10:36 am

OP: Are you saying that from a legal standpoint, Autistics are exampt from jury duty?
Or that your friends think they should be?
How insulting, this idea that Autistics wouldn't understand the tehcnical terms. ASD is NOT an intellectual handicap. We can be quite objective on a jury, whereas NTs would be more prone to judge a defendant by their looks. This is why it's a stone-cold fact that good-looking murder defendants are far more likely to be acquitted.

While Autistics would be using logic and facts to determine guilt vs. innocence, the NTs would get all mixed up with their emotions or, at least, be weak with their logic and understanding of the evidence presented. I've been watching true crime for years, and am aware of high profile cases like Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson.

The evidence is under the jury's nose, yet they find murderers innocent, even though the evidence against the defendant is in neon lights. I've seen this happen in true crime docudramas. Just when you think it's a slam dunk case for the prosecution, the idiot stupid f*ck jurors find the sleaze ball defendant innocent!! I want to be alone in a room for two minutes with every juror who found them innocent.

Or, when the evidence is stacked against the defendant, and it's SOOOO obvious they're guilty, the jury takes 12 hours to finally arrive at this conclusion, even though the evidence is like "Duhhhh, he did it!"

And we all know that most jurors are NT because most people in the general populace are NT.

So if ANYONE makes a poor juror, it's the typical NT. A jury full of Autistics would filter out the emotions and silly thinking and cut right to the bone of facts, logic and evidence.



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15 Jan 2023, 10:51 am

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Scientific studies do indicate that autistic college students on average will be more logical than their allistic counterparts, they will not be swayed by different frames. For example, experimenters may ask college educated students whether they would take a bet if they have a 20 percent chance of winning, then change the framing to whether they take the bet if they have an 80% chance of losing. Autistic college students tended not to be swayed by the change in framing, while allistic college students were more inclined to change their bet with the different framing, even though the different frames describe identical probabilities.

Not only are autistic jurors likely to be more rational in their decision making, they will have the ability to stay focused for longer lengths of time. They will more likely pick up the fine details of the case than the average juror. Yet, in all probability, due to negative stereotyping, they will probably be more likely to be dismissed from jury duty.

Another good question would be: Can an autistic person be treated fairly by a jury? Unfortunately, probably not.


I'm familiar with that "framing effect" study you refer to. It's why an NT will be scared to go to the same Walmart they've been going to for years, simply because there was a shooting there and the shooter is now dead. The threat has been eliminated, and the odds of being shot at are the SAME as they were a week, a month, a year before the shooting. Yet so many NTs will avoid that Walmart and drive to a further Walmart from then on. Totally illogical, but NTs are prone to making decisions based on PAST, no-longer-relevant circumstances, rather than on CURRENT FACTS. This way of thinking could smudge their ability to be a good juror.



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15 Jan 2023, 11:57 am

Joe90 wrote:
In my 13 years of being a member here, I have learnt that most Aspies are impartial, which sometimes gets on my nerves.

Have you seen PPR? :D


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15 Jan 2023, 6:08 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
In my 13 years of being a member here, I have learnt that most Aspies are impartial, which sometimes gets on my nerves.

Have you seen PPR? :D


Well yes but only those of us who aren't as impartial get flack from the rest in PPR.


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15 Jan 2023, 9:33 pm

i wish jurors would be made a professional class with commensurate pay and bennies.



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16 Jan 2023, 9:36 am

The first and last time I did jury duty, my biggest problem was that I had a hard time controlling my laughter because the case was so stupid and ridiculous. A rich white lady was driving her car with her poodle in it and noticed a tick crawling up her leg so she stopped where and when she should not have stopped her car in the middle of the road to try to remove the tick. Two young black kids ended up rear ending her because she stopped suddenly. She was suing the black kids and claiming all this pain and agony and physical therapy she would need because of the extensive injuries she sustained. The car barely had a dent in it, yet she was acting like she would need years of physical therapy and counseling. I figured years of psychiatric counseling would be more appropriate. We ended up awarding her ten thousand dollars for physical therapy which I thought was a bit much. But she was hoping to get over two hundred thousand.

It was in the nineties so it was a while ago. I might have been the only black person on the jury and possibly the only Autistic but it's impossible to know if anyone else was Autistic. I don't remember if there was another black person or not but most of the jury was white. I didn't think we should have let her win because a tick is not an excuse to stop short in traffic causing others to rear end you. She could have pulled over or she could have put tick prevention medicine on her dog. But the deliberation was going on and on because I kept saying that she didn't deserve a big payout. Eventually, I just got exhausted of all the back and forth and agreed to settle for ten thousand which is what everyone thought was fair. I thought it was ridiculous that she should have gotten away with that.


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