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TwilightPrincess wrote:
For those who don't want to watch the video, Ehrman touches on the Trinity in his blog:
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There is nowhere in the Bible that we have an explicit reference to the doctrine of the Trinity, that there are three persons in the godhead, and the three are actually one. With an exception. The doctrine of the Trinity DOES seem to be explicitly taught (or nearly explicitly taught) in 1 John 5:7. Here is what it says:
There are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Spirit, and these three are one.
Right! There it is. That’s just about as explicit as can be. There are three. They are in heaven (meaning they are divine beings). They are God the Father, and the “Word” of God (i.e., Christ), and the Spirit. And those three are one. So the Trinity is indeed taught in the Bible, right?
It will take me two posts, but I’m going to explain why this verse was not originally in the New Testament. It was added by a later scribe. This is not a disputed point among biblical scholars – except for some rather hard-core fundamentalists. The evidence is so overwhelming that I agreed the verse wasn’t original back when I myself was a rather hard-core fundamentalist.
There are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Spirit, and these three are one.
Right! There it is. That’s just about as explicit as can be. There are three. They are in heaven (meaning they are divine beings). They are God the Father, and the “Word” of God (i.e., Christ), and the Spirit. And those three are one. So the Trinity is indeed taught in the Bible, right?
It will take me two posts, but I’m going to explain why this verse was not originally in the New Testament. It was added by a later scribe. This is not a disputed point among biblical scholars – except for some rather hard-core fundamentalists. The evidence is so overwhelming that I agreed the verse wasn’t original back when I myself was a rather hard-core fundamentalist.
https://ehrmanblog.org/is-the-trinity-in-the-bible/
The muddle of the Trinity (the Father, Wholly Spirit and Son) should be the God the Wholly Spirit as absolute ‘essential’ being in spatial terms known through unconditional Love, his Goddess the Wholly Ghost as being infinite ‘substantial’ becoming in dimensional terms known through endless Wisdom, and the Son as being ‘a’ child of God (in the singular sense) amongst the children of God and the Goddess as being all created ‘formational’ things in the finite sense from the scale of galaxies down to subatomic particles (at least) known through the evolutional / ascensional Experience of God and Goddess involving rebirth, hence the life everlasting thing, and Jesus’s and other prophets teachings on how not to get stuck here in this particular scheme of things, involving Dharma (teachings) and Karma (repercussions).
Hence we are made in the image of the in-visible God (EL) made visibly manifest through his Goddess (Asherah ~ the Goddess of Poles and hence the home maker when tents and tribal nomadism was the thing) as divine consort involving the Elohim as together being the council of God, representing and consisting of all, as being a shared ‘horizontal’ and ‘diagonal’ hierarchy of equality involving collaboration rather than than an enforced ‘vertical’ hierarchy of dictatorship involving adversarialism.
Hence the Psalm of Asaph as being Psalm 82:
1.) God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods”:
2.) “How long will you defend the unjust and show partiality to the wicked?
3.) Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
4.) Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5.) “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness; all
the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6.) “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’
7.) But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”
8.) Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.
Which Jesus in part quote when asked if he was ‘the’ son of God (when under threat of being stoned) when he only ever stated he was a child of God through his Goddess as a spirit rather than a child of men through women as a human, hence infinite life rather than a finite one.
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