Neurotypicals are Humans too
Fnord wrote:
The trick for me was to express a skillset that the NTs wanted in their employ. By the time I hit middle-age, I had acquired an amateur radio license; an engineering degree; military training in radio, radar, and security systems; and experience in mechanical drafting, technical writing, simple lock-picking/safe-cracking, and computer 'hacking'.
Someone rage-quit without telling you their computer password or the combo to their safe? Here, let me have a try . . .
Someone rage-quit without telling you their computer password or the combo to their safe? Here, let me have a try . . .
Good for you, I'm glad someone managed to hack into their biased and typically corrupt system based on knowledge and actual skills.
Here they only require soft skills, and a typical Klingon-like brute, such as myself, can't master the art of buttlicking required for most positions. Dealing with them burns what's left of my brain.
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Bestiola wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The trick for me was to express a skillset that the NTs wanted in their employ. By the time I hit middle-age, I had acquired an amateur radio license; an engineering degree; military training in radio, radar, and security systems; and experience in mechanical drafting, technical writing, simple lock-picking/safe-cracking, and computer 'hacking'.
Someone rage-quit without telling you their computer password or the combo to their safe? Here, let me have a try . . .
Someone rage-quit without telling you their computer password or the combo to their safe? Here, let me have a try . . .
Good for you, I'm glad someone managed to hack into their biased and typically corrupt system based on knowledge and actual skills.
Here they only require soft skills, and a typical Klingon-like brute, such as myself, can't master the art of buttlicking required for most positions. Dealing with them burns what's left of my brain.
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honeytoast wrote:
I don’t like the idea of Autism being compared to pitbulls.
I fear pitbulls, rotweillers and dobermans because they, er, have a well-deserved reputation for flipping out and killing people. They look fine.
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PhosphorusDecree wrote:
honeytoast wrote:
I don’t like the idea of Autism being compared to pitbulls.
I fear pitbulls, rotweillers and dobermans because they, er, have a well-deserved reputation for flipping out and killing people. They look fine.
I feel like AmStaffs, Staffies, American Bulldogs and APBTs (pibbles) have earned that reputation even more than Dobermans, Rotties, Boxers, etc.
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Bestiola wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The trick for me was to express a skillset that the NTs wanted in their employ. By the time I hit middle-age, I had acquired an amateur radio license; an engineering degree; military training in radio, radar, and security systems; and experience in mechanical drafting, technical writing, simple lock-picking/safe-cracking, and computer 'hacking'.
Someone rage-quit without telling you their computer password or the combo to their safe? Here, let me have a try . . .
Someone rage-quit without telling you their computer password or the combo to their safe? Here, let me have a try . . .
Good for you, I'm glad someone managed to hack into their biased and typically corrupt system based on knowledge and actual skills.
Here they only require soft skills, and a typical Klingon-like brute, such as myself, can't master the art of buttlicking required for most positions. Dealing with them burns what's left of my brain.
I sure wish there were more mythical successful autistics who succeeded on their own, such as Fnord, but in places where you'd expect to find a few, (Academia for example) even there they typically have a strong family unit, or should I say Borgia Clan behind them, where the position of a researcher is a heritable family business. The only way to get in so to marry one or potentially get yourself adopted by them by looking extra cute and servile.
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JosetteJoy wrote:
honeytoast wrote:
I don’t like the idea of Autism being compared to pitbulls.
I'm sorry. I used that analogy because dogs are one of my special interests and I think Pit Bulls are underappreciated just like autistic people are.
I think you are coming from a place with good intentions. I get the message you are trying to convey, but a lot of us have struggled with autism and what it brings to our lives. You are young, you haven't quite lived on your own yet (the adult experience), and you seem to have a good support system around you. I'm sure you have your fair of struggles. I think having a bit of optimism is a great thing to have. I am forever the optimist and will be the first to say that things will always get better no matter what.
When you are participating in a community like ours, you are going to get a whole 'spectrum' of autistics who are not going to share the same viewpoint as you. Many are going to view their autism as a barrier and a source of pain; they should be allowed a space to vent their frustration. You are not going to find people who feel blessed that they are never going to be a part of society no matter how hard they mask, that people will use their disability to their advantage, and that they will forever struggle. We are going to be brutally honest about what it is like to have autism. You are also in a generation that has had more awareness and education with autism, especially with girls. At WP, the age skews to Gen X/Millenial. They did not have the same support you have currently. Autism was very understudied or considered not a thing. Only men can get it, not women. A lot of it was just "cope and get over it. s**t sucks, get on with your life. Can't be weak" or those who have very high support needs. A stereotypical image of a r*tard.
I don't want to come off as being too harsh, but I want you to understand that if you say "Autism is a blessing, God was awesome to give us this", you are not going to be met with a lot of cheers. Do you kind of understand what I mean? Like, I'm not trying to say never ever talk about the good with autism.
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honeytoast wrote:
JosetteJoy wrote:
honeytoast wrote:
I don’t like the idea of Autism being compared to pitbulls.
I'm sorry. I used that analogy because dogs are one of my special interests and I think Pit Bulls are underappreciated just like autistic people are.
I think you are coming from a place with good intentions. I get the message you are trying to convey, but a lot of us have struggled with autism and what it brings to our lives. You are young, you haven't quite lived on your own yet (the adult experience), and you seem to have a good support system around you. I'm sure you have your fair of struggles. I think having a bit of optimism is a great thing to have. I am forever the optimist and will be the first to say that things will always get better no matter what.
When you are participating in a community like ours, you are going to get a whole 'spectrum' of autistics who are not going to share the same viewpoint as you. Many are going to view their autism as a barrier and a source of pain; they should be allowed a space to vent their frustration. You are not going to find people who feel blessed that they are never going to be a part of society no matter how hard they mask, that people will use their disability to their advantage, and that they will forever struggle. We are going to be brutally honest about what it is like to have autism. You are also in a generation that has had more awareness and education with autism, especially with girls. At WP, the age skews to Gen X/Millenial. They did not have the same support you have currently. Autism was very understudied or considered not a thing. Only men can get it, not women. A lot of it was just "cope and get over it. s**t sucks, get on with your life. Can't be weak" or those who have very high support needs. A stereotypical image of a r*tard.
I don't want to come off as being too harsh, but I want you to understand that if you say "Autism is a blessing, God was awesome to give us this", you are not going to be met with a lot of cheers. Do you kind of understand what I mean? Like, I'm not trying to say never ever talk about the good with autism.
When I say, "autism is a blessing given to us by God", I am not discounting the tough things we have to deal with. From my experience, my autism has come with a lot of anxiety. My family doesn't understand autism and I struggle with communicating which often ends up in conflict. Leaders in my church have treated me as if I was stupid or a little kid. I'm not even sure if I'll be able to live on my own.
I did not mean to come across as dismissive, I just noticed a negative pattern on a topic that was meant to be positive and I needed to point it out.
What I meant by "God blessed the world with autism" is that autism has specific traits that the world doesn't have. It teaches others patience, compassion, honesty, open-mindedness, etc. Our struggles may not be a blessing to us, but it helps teach us and others. That's why I think it's a blessing.
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Bestiola wrote:
I sure wish there were more mythical successful autistics who succeeded on their own, such as Fnord . . .
I am not "mythical", and I resent the implication. I am a real, living, human being.I did all that I described after realizing that no one else in my life gave a damn about me, and that if I did not want to be a loser the rest of my life, then it was solely up to me to do something about it -- I did not wait for a handout, nor did I wait for the world to change to suit me.
And, by the way, most of my employers were heavily involved in research and development, with little or no nepotism involved in hiring.
(To be competitive, most employers know that they have to hire talent, not just bodies; although some w*kers do slip through the screening process.)
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Fnord wrote:
Bestiola wrote:
I sure wish there were more mythical successful autistics who succeeded on their own, such as Fnord . . .
I am not "mythical", and I resent the implication. I am a real, living, human being.I did all that I described after realizing that no one else in my life gave a damn about me, and that if I did not want to be a loser the rest of my life, then it was solely up to me to do something about it -- I did not wait for a handout, nor did I wait for the world to change to suit me.
And, by the way, most of my employers were heavily involved in research and development, with little or no nepotism involved in hiring.
(To be competitive, most employers know that they have to hire talent, not just bodies; although some w*kers do slip through the screening process.)
Bad wording on my part, I meant another such as yourself.
Bestiola wrote:
Bad wording on my part, I meant another such as yourself.
I'm another mythical successful autistic person like Fnord.
When I dropped out of the elite university that I had been pushed into, I lost my entire support network. Doors slammed in my face. I had a choice: either disappear up my own backside, or learn to do people, quickly. I became very good at masking. I learned to schmooze, hustle, and blag; first, to get a place at a college I wanted to go to, to study something I was interested in; and later, to get work, and more work after that.
Of course I have suffered bullying at work. On the other hand, like Fnord said, my skills are such that employers are prepared to accept my 'weirdness' because of the amount of money I make for them.
I'm very lucky of course. One thing that the autistic community has helped me with since my diagnosis is learning not to use the word 'superpower' any more. I just happen to be an autistic person with a considerably above average level of academic intelligence.
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BillyTree wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Autism is a blessing makes as much sense as my clubfoot is my superpower.
Do you speak out of experience and actually have a clubfoot?
No. Are you suggesting I should reconsider the notion of having a clubfoot being a superpower?
Tom Dempsey.
I'm an able-bodied autistic person and I have no right to ablesplain on behalf of physically disabled people. What I want to say is that we have to play the hand we're dealt, and the way some people do that is an inspiration to the rest of us.
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Bestiola wrote:
Bad wording on my part, I meant another such as yourself.
I'm another mythical successful autistic person like Fnord.
When I dropped out of the elite university that I had been pushed into, I lost my entire support network. Doors slammed in my face. I had a choice: either disappear up my own backside, or learn to do people, quickly. I became very good at masking. I learned to schmooze, hustle, and blag; first, to get a place at a college I wanted to go to, to study something I was interested in; and later, to get work, and more work after that.
Of course I have suffered bullying at work. On the other hand, like Fnord said, my skills are such that employers are prepared to accept my 'weirdness' because of the amount of money I make for them.
I'm very lucky of course. One thing that the autistic community has helped me with since my diagnosis is learning not to use the word 'superpower' any more. I just happen to be an autistic person with a considerably above average level of academic intelligence.
Awesome, I'm happy to hear more of such access stories!
Hearing about bullying makes me wonder though if you could potentially start your own business, so they don't exploit you. But if you're happy with the arrangement, who am I to complain.
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JamesW wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
No. Are you suggesting I should reconsider the notion of having a clubfoot being a superpower?
Tom Dempsey.
I'm an able-bodied autistic person and I have no right to ablesplain on behalf of physically disabled people. What I want to say is that we have to play the hand we're dealt, and the way some people do that is an inspiration to the rest of us.
He was a skilled placekicker, but it would be patronizing as f**k to act like his deformed foot (and hand) were a superpower or an unfair advantage.
Also, he's not an example of someone with a clubfoot.
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funeralxempire wrote:
BillyTree wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Autism is a blessing makes as much sense as my clubfoot is my superpower.
Do you speak out of experience and actually have a clubfoot?
No. Are you suggesting I should reconsider the notion of having a clubfoot being a superpower?
If you are trying to be "smart" I think you should compare autism with something you actually have first hand experience of.
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Bestiola wrote:
Here they only require soft skills, and a typical Klingon-like brute, such as myself, can't master the art of buttlicking required for most positions. Dealing with them burns what's left of my brain.
If I may temporarily derail by stating that I absolutely hate the term 'soft skills'.
I am autistic, and there is nothing 'soft' about those skills whatsoever.
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