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29 Nov 2024, 6:56 pm

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Well that's just nonsense. Of course she had policies. That's just a fact.

What were they? The ones she ran on in 2019 and never really disavowed, or the ones she never really defined in 2024? Just Biden, but black and female?

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29 Nov 2024, 7:01 pm

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Well that's just nonsense. Of course she had policies. That's just a fact.

What were they? The ones she ran on in 2019 and never really disavowed, or the ones she never really defined in 2024? Just Biden, but black and female?

That's a dishonest question. You can easily look them up.

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29 Nov 2024, 7:10 pm

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That's a dishonest question. You can easily look them up.

Can I? Like I said, she never really distanced herself from her earlier run and said repeatedly that her values hadn't changed, so who should I trust regarding her policies? Listening to her talk certainly wasn't helpful.

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29 Nov 2024, 7:55 pm

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bee33 wrote:

That's a dishonest question. You can easily look them up.

https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

This is just the most obvious place to look. There are countless more. But if you don't "trust" what she said then you're changing your story.

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29 Nov 2024, 9:30 pm

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Biden dropped out too late and Harris didn't have enough time to get her policies out there to get enough support. But I voted for her regardless because I will vote for anyone who isn't Trump, even a bear. And that is something we cannot wrap our minds too.

Harris' policies were similar to Biden's, though she put more emphasis on reproductive rights.

But voting blue, no matter who, was the right thing to do.

Of all the swing states, I was most upset about Michigan. I knew it would boil down to people in Dearborn (which has a large Arab population) staying home or voting third party to protest Trump and Harris' handling of the Gaza conflict.

North Carolina baffled me as well. But unlike MI, they also had a gubernatorial election at the same time. The GOP candidate, Mark Robinson, a self-proclaimed "Christian nationalist", who made a ton of inflammatory comments about trans people--was caught on a porn site calling himself a "black Nazi". I was hoping the fallout from that would sway NC toward Harris. It went to Trump, but Democrat Josh Stein won the governor's race.

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29 Nov 2024, 10:01 pm

FYI there is an existing thread as to why Harris lost. I started it off with pointed criticism.

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29 Nov 2024, 10:39 pm

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Of all the swing states, I was most upset about Michigan. I knew it would boil down to people in Dearborn (which has a large Arab population) staying home or voting third party to protest Trump and Harris' handling of the Gaza conflict

They're having voter's remorse now. Check out leopardsatemyface subreddit.

I am seeing tons of voters remorse from farmers, people with preexisting conditions, finding out they are those immigrants Trump was talking about who will be deported, shocked about project 2025 and finding out about tariffs, this is all so good. They all voted Trump and they regret it. They all voted against themselves. Talk about ignorance.

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29 Nov 2024, 10:58 pm

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Well, let's see if they really have buyers remorse and vote accordingly four years from now.

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29 Nov 2024, 11:32 pm

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Cutting off friends and family over politics is deranged behavior.

I agree with you there. There should be a family rule not to discus politics at family gatherings.

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29 Nov 2024, 11:34 pm

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Well, let's see if they really have buyers remorse and vote accordingly four years from now.

They'll probably blame the democrats for not warning them enough and for not doing it correctly. Tone policing you know. Couldn't handle being compared to Nazis and Hitler when we were trying to warn them who they're supporting.

Now Trump wants to put all Mayors in jail now who stand up to him and control all the media and put anyone in jail who cares to share the truth about him he calls fake news. Hitler did this too. He even wants to get rid of free speech too.

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29 Nov 2024, 11:37 pm

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Dox47 wrote:

Cutting off friends and family over politics is deranged behavior.

I agree with you there. There should be a family rule not to discus politics at family gatherings.

Families were cutting each other off before Thanksgiving. Why do people want to flaunt whom they voted for? Then they were disinvited or kids deciding to not come over for Thanksgiving becsuse they voted for Trump.

My parents have been very stressed out over Trump, even my dad. They can just sell their big house in Montana and live off that money. Problem solved. That is our survival money to survive Trump America.

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30 Nov 2024, 3:33 am

We survived Obama for eight years.
We survived Trump for four years.
We survived Biden for four years.
We will survive another four years of Trump.

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30 Nov 2024, 4:58 am

We survived Bush of 8 years and 8 years of Reagon.

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30 Nov 2024, 2:11 pm

To be fair, not everyone has survived. The Trump admin's disastrous handling of COVID caused lots of deaths, and the overturning of Roe v Wade has led to many women dying from preventable deaths. We made it here, but we are privileged to have done so.

We shouldn't treat the second Trump term like the first one, either. Trump and MAGAism has gotten so much worse than it was even in the first term. Now it's just brazen dictator-worship, violence and lawlessness. The rhetoric has picked up and the overton window keeps on shifting further and further right. Plus, don't forget Project 2025. The Heritage Foundation and like groups were not prepared for the first Trump admin. They very much are this time, and with Schedule F and the unitary executive theory the real dangerous Christofascists are getting in and will have lots of influence.

We can hope for the best, but this situation is just straight-up dire. I tried so hard to warn people. Alas...

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30 Nov 2024, 9:58 pm

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Trump and MAGAism has gotten so much worse than it was even in the first term. Now it's just brazen dictator-worship, violence and lawlessness.

Huh?

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05 Dec 2024, 9:23 pm

Here, in the thread Zionists who say the Israili war tactics are criminal:

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In other threads discussions have developed about cutting off family members because of their political views. I think it is somewhat less prevalent in our generation than younger ones. In my immediate family as well as that of my cousins siblings disagree over politics but have not cut each other off. My NRA, cursing at the anti-Vietnam protesters dad never cut off my “liberal” brother. It doubt it was ever a thought.

Back then, though, a lot of people DID cut off family members over various matters that were not yet deemed to be political issues.

For example, a lot of families threw out kids who were discovered to be gay. And at least 50% of teenage runaways were LGBTQ+.

Also, before the 1960's, it was not uncommon for middle-class families to banish pregnant teenage girls to institutions, never to be seen again.

Since then, many issues that were formerly seen as "just personal" became political, as more and more women and LGBTQ+ people fought for our rights, sometimes making great progress, interspersed with periods of backlash.

And, as the personal became political, so too politics became more personal. For example, it's kind of hard not to take it personally when a family member favors politicians who intend to take away your bodily autonomy.

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