Discussing the toxicity of wokeness

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Well the world is more free since one can work way out of class born into, but it's not easy. Hey I also had to work but it builds character and now in my 40s I'm much rounded person for it.
I notice many women given jobs for what you say, but it seems unfair like oh, she's pretty and social and of course blond....but then again are other females who seem NT that lacking intellectual skills for positions given. Life is indeed very unfair.
I think autistic males don't get sex/jobs way NT males do, and then blame shifted where many asd females victims of sexual attacks and my comments are fair to both sexes
Many NT males can not drop out of school and pass whilst having girlfriends, drinking and smoking weed. Usually these naught drop outs become low paid wagereers for rest of their days for messing up at school, but male system is so biased that mostly girls dropping out for varied reasons, then male drop out are minorities with colour or disability.
The truth in society is a princess doesn't sit on a pedastel, men lied about many fairy tales. If man is dragged down he will take it out on females, she isn't protected by birthright to species survival. Actually she's viewed as stupid dirt but if he gets undermined then she can sit and really find reason to complain if which perhaps not even G-d feels she paid enough disadvantage without .....

I'm sorry but without DEI companies and organisations will not be held accountable for unfair hiring practices. Despite attempts to claim unqualified people are hired to meet quotas, I have not seen much evidence of this.

On the subject of privilege. I am a member of the privileged class the OP is referring to. DEI has never negatively effected me. I have learned to work and live with diverse people. It's part of growing as a human being. Breaking down artificial hierarchy.

There's a lot of people who like to start arguments by throwing out all sorts of edgy but completely uninformed opinions, but then slink away like cowards the moment they face even the gentlest of disagreement or correction.

They might change tactics and dismiss the argument they've started by insisting it was just a joke, or that they're entitled to their own opinion no matter how baseless and unfounded their opinion might be, but ultimately they know their opinion is objectively wrong, that's why they're incapable of defending it.

But, as you say, many of those people are emotionally fragile. Having their ignorant opinions rejected hurts their egos, so they flee. There's no need to ignore them though, they break so easily it requires almost no effort to put them to flight.

You want to argue with me. I am by no means obliged to give you any attention. You sound foolish. Grow up.

There you go again with ad hominem attacks which appear to be little more than projection. Rather than address what people actually say, you claim that they are “jealous,” “emotionally fragile,” “foolish,” “love to argue,” etc. It demonstrates that you can’t refute others’ statements or support your own with sound argumentation or reason.

Seems like you're just as keen to argue.

For someone who's not obligated to give others attention, you sure can't seem to help but give them attention.

Does calling people foolish and telling them to grow up count as a silly nonsensical point with little basis in reality? It might carry some weight if you actually explained how and why they were foolish, rather than simply slapping the label on someone.

"Ignore them and move on" is funny advice coming from someone who neither ignores comments, nor moves on from them.

That's because you haven't been looking. When California outlawed affirmative action in college admissions, the number of minorities at their most elite colleges did drop, but the number of minorities on deans' lists and getting academic honors increased. I'm not really sure how you explain that if there weren't under qualified people being thrown in over their heads due to this sort of policy. And it seems somewhat naive to assume that it's just limited to academia.

Yeah wasn't that republicans riding on the coat-tails of disgruntled east Asian parents blaming "brack" people for their kids not getting into Ivy league. the case for students for fair admissions (SFFA) was taken to the high court and they won in 2023
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/ju ... unc-ruling

And surprise, surprise the number of Asian students increased to Harvard and the number of black and Latino students dropped.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-amer ... -rcna77923

So now everyone should be happy

The point that you are ignoring is that clearly there were underqualified applicants being inappropriately boosted to their own detriment.

As far as Harvard goes, so what? In most fields going to Harvard doesn't really give an advantage sufficient to justify the price. This equality of outcome without equality of both effort and ability is deeply problematic. Especially when you're talking about something like going to a college with many other routes to a degree. The US has thousands of colleges and universities.

I really don't understand this word "woke" at all. People are just basically accusing others of being woke because they said something they didn't like. According to this one Reddit post, it's "woke" to give a restaurant a bad review because the French fries were too soggy. The restaurant owner then replied in colorful language and accused the customer of wokeness. Most people like their fries crispy, so I really don't get why that would be "woke".

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We've had a poster try to insist that a coherent definition of 'woke' exists, although I'm not sure he succeeded.

Early on it had a real meaning, but it's a difficult concept to really encompass with a proper definition, so there has been so much creep to it that nobody seems to really know what it means any more.

That does seem to be the case. I don’t know if the woke crusade ever had a legitimate rational group promoting it, but whatever it is now seems to be intentionally dividing everyone. It reminds me of The Scarlet Letter, the witch hunts of history and the inquisition. The original message has been lost in translation.

What do you mean by "the woke crusade"? All I've seen is an anti-woke crusade.

I see the woke crusade as hackers and community mobs doxing/silencing/blocking employment and social connects towards anyone who upsets them.

I think everyone knows the "ivy league" badge gets you an unfair advantage in terms networks and interviews.
that's why many (not just Asian parents) kill themselves to get their kids in. Networks in terms of being part of a highly successful alumni who improve your chances of getting an internship. Interviews, recruiters obviously when they have the pick filter the hundreds of applicants by institution. Its also a kind of quality test. But its not the only thing. Many cultures are class/caste conscious so its not just the kids. the parents wear it as a badge of honour. I've lived in Asia, it's like the first thing parents do when they meet each other, they can't wait to declare "my son is getting really good grades".

Both the UK and even Australia we have this proxy class thing, In Asia kids get to the point of self-harm in order to get grades to get into prestigious education places (including highschools offering scholarships). We also have Ivy league here in Australia but since education is largely free, getting in is based only on grades.

Does it merit the price? for every person who weighs up their options and says no, there's plenty who would sacrifice everything to produce a medical graduate from John Hopkins or a lawyer from Harvard or an engineer from MIT.