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10 Jan 2025, 5:33 pm

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I do think war with Canada will be a lot more difficult then most Americans believe. Don't be fooled by Canadian niceness.

And pretty much every country on the planet from China to the UK (with the probable exception of Israel) would root for Canada. It could be a short term victory but eventually it will lead to the end of the US as a super power.

When is the last time the USA actually won a war?

The last war the US actually fought was Iraq, which you won quite easily.

If you want to get into military activity below the level of "war", you defeated ISIS, Gadaffi, your allies just defeated Assad - it's actually quite a long time since you lost a war.

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10 Jan 2025, 8:28 pm

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When is the last time the USA actually won a war?

At best the US was “winning” in Iraq but did not complete the job. We ended up going back a third time and we did the bombing but the Iraqi army did the dirty work to eliminate ISIS. It is Al Qaeda under another name that overthrew Assad, you know the group we supposedly defeated in the “War on Terror”. Gadaffi that was the Arab Spring not us.

The last time we lost a war was in 2021 to the Taliban. A lot of these other instances including police actions were neither wins nor losses.

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11 Jan 2025, 12:19 pm

I think the very ideas that Trump proposes are ludicrous and that's why I voted no. However, I will note that I have a tiny bit of fear because he is insane and there will be no adults in the room when he takes office. On the off chance he is actually serious and not just running his mouth to intimidate the countries, trouble could brew. Another concern I have is how much his lackeys and proposed admin are going along with it.

Still, it's very, very ludicrous so I doubt anything will happen. We need to be more worried about what's going on in our own country with Project 2025 and other similar schemes. In terms of foreign nations, Palestine and Ukraine should be watched, too.

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11 Jan 2025, 2:33 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

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When is the last time the USA actually won a war?

By this logic you lost WWI because you had to fight another war against Germany, and you didn't win the Revolutionary War because Britain burned down the White House in 1814. You weren't fighting the Taliban in 2021, you'd forced them from power and signed a peace deal on your terms; the fact that they seized power after you stopped fighting them doesn't actually change the result of the conflict (although it does raise other questions).

Occupying Canada wouldn't be sunshine and daisies, but head-to-head there's no doubt the US would outgun Canada.

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11 Jan 2025, 3:31 pm

Outgunning isn't the proof of the pudding.
I can just imagine the orange tantrum pushing out his sphincter lips and saying "This will be over in 3 days".
In reality the only thing happening in those 3 days will be the flattening of Taiwan and the commencement of the Indo-Pacific expansion. Ukraine will become entirely dependant on European supply, and Russia will heave a sigh of relief. Africa will dissolve further into a heap of petty squabbles and the middle east will go up in a giant mushroom cloud.
Mother Earth will take offence and pop a few mega-calderas and mankind will (possibly) survive only as troglodytes.

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11 Jan 2025, 4:30 pm

didn't america goad the iraqi army into a showdown in the desert and then just air strike them?

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11 Jan 2025, 8:50 pm

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We still had troops in Afghanistan in 2021, they seized power when we quit. Our objective was to prevent exactly what happened. How is that anything but a loss?

WWI was not just us. The Allies at least forced a treaty on their terms. I have to admit by my logic we won the Gulf War because we gained our objective by kicking Iraq out of Kuwait and forcing a treaty but in the Iraq war we just left.

In the Revolutionary War we gained our objective, almost 250 years later we are still independent.

Back to Canada, we outgun them by a lot but that does not always win wars, see Vietnam.

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11 Jan 2025, 8:57 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

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I'm firmly of the opinion that we should not try to force a system of government on others. If we do, they will only resent it for being forced on them and us for forcing it on them.

Rather, if we need to let them build their own government, then they have a chance. They are going to value that which they worked hard to get. People will value their own sweat and tears, not ours.

That which is handed them on a silver platter is not going to be valued by them.

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11 Jan 2025, 9:27 pm

Yahoo article today says Kremlin considers Greenland under its sphere of influence . . And has strategic value to them
. Another War.......1st we must beat the Icelandic Imperial Guard? .... Or if they have a air force , We might be able to defeat the Paraglider Corp...or kite flying corp. Or what ever ...? Then We start a War , with Russia, err , maybe Norway too....Or maybe just NATO ..? Personally , maybe we would be better off if we surrendered to Gre3nland . :oops:

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11 Jan 2025, 11:06 pm

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Where did Iceland come into this?

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11 Jan 2025, 11:37 pm

Opppss :oops: ....meant Greenland...lolzzz hope they have a military? maybe not ? We could surrender to them too...?
Probably pretty cold both places? :nerdy:

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12 Jan 2025, 12:00 am

An uncle of mine spent part of World War II at a remote weather station in Greenland. If I remember correctly, he said that the isolation was really tough.

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12 Jan 2025, 5:28 am

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An uncle of mine spent part of World War II at a remote weather station in Greenland. If I remember correctly, he said that the isolation was really tough.

I'll take that over combat any day.

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12 Jan 2025, 8:43 pm

kokopelli wrote:

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It doesn't make sense that the whole country would become a single state.

I suspect that they would demand that each province be its own state. Think ten more states with up to 20 Senators. I don't know much about the political breakdown in Canada but it wouldn't be impossible that 15 or more of them would be Democrats and may up to 5 Republicans. If the Republicans there aren't as radical as MAGA, then it could even be 18 or 19 Democrats and 1 or 2 Republicans.

Not only that, the House is, I think, currently fixed to a membership of 435 members. Some states would have to give up some representatives so that the Canadian states could get their share.

Remember, too, that this would affect the Electoral College.

If Canada had been US in 2024, it is not far fetched to think that Trump might still have won the Presidency, but both the House and the Senate would be under Democratic Party control.

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I just dont see why Trump thinks getting up to 15 to 20 more democratic senators would be a good idea for the Republican Party. What would the Republicans do if Canada joined as 10 states...How would the zRepublicans make up the difference?

There is one obvious way. Texas has 254 counties. Split Texas up so that each county in Texas becomes a state. That would be 508 Senators there. So 100 Senators - 2 current Texas Senators + 508 new Texas Senators. Remember that most of Texas is rural -- only a few of the new states would be Democratic.

Also, each of the new states would have at least one member of the House. Sure, a few such as Harris County and Dallas County would have more. Then out of the fixed 435 members of the House, 254 of of the new states would have more than 254 members in the House. Texas would dominate the House of Representatives.

And in the electoral college, there would be 1041 members of which at least 762 would be from what is now Texas.

Wouldn't it be fun to be from Lovng County as it goes to the State of Loving with a population of something like 70 people in the entire state?

Somehow, I don't see that scheme ever going into effect.

Ya I think Texas can split into 5 states as it is now.

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12 Jan 2025, 10:32 pm

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Ya I think Texas can split into 5 states as it is now.

If Texas were to split into five states, there is a very strong chance that those four of those states would be Democratic states and one would be Republican. Those states formed with the Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, and El Paso would likely see the Democrats in the cities overriding the Republicans in the countryside. The exception would be one with Amarillo and Lubbock.

The five states thing was the result of the annexation of Texas into the US. It doesn't say that Texas could only split into five states, only that it is already approved for Texas to split into five states. For 254 states, it would require Congressional approval. That approval would be rather unlikely, though.

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13 Jan 2025, 12:25 pm

kokopelli wrote:

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Ya I think Texas can split into 5 states as it is now.

Ya I was saying that Texas is already approved to split into 5 states. I dont know what the Republicans would gain from splitting Texas because it would give the Dems a lot more Senators and more house members than the Lone Republican state of Texas fragment would give the Republicans.

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