New RPGs vs Old RPGs

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If you wanna talk old-school RPGs than mention Xenogears.

It's basically a book built into a game. It made me an atheist from playing it, because of the religious criticisms that the plotline dealt with. If you're an anime fan, especially a gundam fan, play this. Not only can you fight with characters, but you can also use mecha in battles. The game's price has gone up though. Most copies go for about $45-$60 on Amazon. don't know about E-bay.

The RPG genre has go straight to Hell ever since the start of the 3-D era caused game developers to sacrifice the storyline in order to concentrate on flashy graphics to bait the suckers with.

ya see hellgate

Don't even mention that atrocity.

The thing is, graphics-based RPG's don't even have good graphics in my view. I can't think of a single modern RPG that I find pretty to look at...

Ever played Oblivion or a Square Enix game? The upcoming Fallout 3 game looks ace as well.

then try Oblivion or Morrowind
there are best graphic wise RPG's around

Old CRPG's, you mean like old The Bard's Tale?

Perhaps I should install and play Baldur's Gate first before passing judgment, but VtM:Bloodlines was the best CRPG evar. Then there is NWN and expansions but mostly for the thousands of user created modules, some of which surpass many commercially released CRPG's.

Daggerfall

it may be a 2D game made to run on dos that's 12 years old but any rpg that can boast 161,600 square kilometres (63,125 square miles) with over 15,000 towns, cities, villages, and dungeons and 750,000 characters (not including monsters, daedera, goblins, bandits etc) loads of guilds and other quests and the ability to role play outside of the main storyline (which has 6 completely different endings) from anything like a good knight or a sinister assassin instantly kicks the s**t out of any new rpgs.

I find them both extremely ugly to look at actually.

The patched version of VtM: Bloodlines is one of the best CRPG's ever, methinks, though I wouldn't give it the number one spot on my personal list. I'd give that to Planescape. Maybe the overlooked Arcanum in 2nd.

NWN's mod community was brilliant.

What we need is a CRPG that has:
-Writing (story, characters, dialogue, etc.) up to the standards set by Planescape: Torment
-Modding tools that surpass NWN's (some of it was fairly unfriendly), and a modding community that is at least as good as NWN's
-Voice acting that matches that of Grim Fandango
-The mature subject matter (sex, violence, profanity, drugs, etc.) of Fallout
-Combat as good as that of a really great action game but with RPG stats (VTM Bloodlines tried this but could have done it better, I think)
-Graphics that match at least Oblivion from a technical standpoint, but from an ARTISTIC standpoint are way more pretty

I'm much more of a fan of traditional, older RPGs from Zork all the way through most of the FFs and so on, but I try to keep an open mind with newer and different styles. I prefer non-linear and turn-based, but I've played a few that changed the formula and were still great.

But more and more I see that RPGs tend to be straying from the norm...either by 'dumbing down' or going off on increasingly far-out tangents in an attempt to carve out their own niche. But with so many trying to be 'different', there isn't anyone left trying to make good games based on the tried and true methods.

That's not to say there's nothing out there to play, I'm having a great time with Lost Odyssey, replaying Oblivion, Crisis Core, and so on. Also, I agree with Veresae about V:tM. That was an excellent game.

Another game I'd recommend is the Call of Cthulhu game. It was on PC and console, but I believe only xbox(maybe ps2 as well). It's first person and relies as much on exploration/research as battle and so forth. It also plays a lot of mind games on you depending on what things you experience and how much your character loses his mind based on that.

i miss when grinding it out was fun and didn't take days.

I never really played any of the old RPG's. I like the new ones like GTA, Bully, and Mass Effect.

not sure about mass effect because i haven't played it but i'm pretty sure gta and bully aren't rpg's.

...or were you being ironic?

I thought they were RPGs.....

The latest RPG I played was Luminous Arc. I thought it was going to be a good RPG, but it was just like FInal Fantasy Tatics Advanced only worse. You couldn't turn the screen around, so if one of your enimies/allies are in front of the character you're controlling, you couldn't see the character. The story was also very stupid too. Their were a bunch of knights in training called the Forever Garden Children, and they worked for the church. Suddenly the church notified them that the witches have returned and that they were going to destroy the god of the Luminous Church. The knights go out to fight monsters and try to condemn witches, but they figured out that most of the witches were good. THere were only one bad witch, and she had to have the use fire magic. It was about as stupid as the Inquisition in Medieval Europe itself. They could have done a better job with the story. Maybe the so-called knights could have been something else than something happened in their lives to make them fight the witches.