Obesity "Fat" acceptance movement in the U.S.

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Tensordyne: This is off topic. You've already stated once in this thread that you weren't going to talk about this any longer but you persist. Personally I have nothing wrong with you arguing your viewpoint whatsoever, provided it's.....in a thread you start yourself about the merits of forced veganism.

And who will go on that thread? Do you want this thread to be a safe space so you all can whine and kumbaya on how bad it is for people saying you should feel bad about being fat. Well, you should feel bad (most of the time, except in rare cases). It is medically a disease that is completely avoidable and caused by your diet. Sorry.

So if you say this is a safe space, I will go away. I respect safe spaces, even if they are filled with delusional people. But here is why it is relevant.

The topic is Re: Obesity "Fat" acceptance movement in the U.S.

I don't accept the Fat acceptance movement. You all want to drive us over a cliff for your Mommy Flesh Addiction. Shame on you. Don't like my ideas, ignore me. Argue against me. Don't tell me what to do though unless it is for safety sake, which is why I am doing what I am doing right now. I worry about the safety of humanity.

You guys sound like smokers complaining about society saying smoking is bad. Oh, woe is me. Get off. You guys are full of it and won't own up, probably ever. Which is the waste of time I was referring to. Telling a fool they are a fool is not necessarily useless, if they are wise fools.

Good Day.

How interesting, I thought I was the only one The fluff, gesticulation and all the "like me", "relate to me" theatrics also annoy and bore me, but it mostly boils down to not wanting to spend 15 minutes on something I could read in less than 5! I'll take a legit scientific study or paper (how about a book even?) over some dude ranting on YouTube every time

I feel like your attitude is escalating here dude and includes personal attacks. I suggest you start a thread of your own or try to not derail the OP's thread. Can you do that for me dude ?

Fine by me. I know when I have been shown the door.
I protest the very existence of this thread.

Plus, it is not a personal attack to say shame on a population's belief or persons appaling lack of argumentation skills. It is my right as a citizen of the US and the rules of this forum, as long as I base it on facts, reason and empathy, which I did. My critique and opinions are to get past your BS defenses, which I did, over, and over again.

Don't worry. I am now gone.
You no longer have to hear my righteous anger at how bad this thread is.

Read my post again , you have not been shown the door.

Unfortunately you do not govern what is a personal attack

You are being provocative and belittling imo ( and it's my opinion that counts here ), if you are not able to have a debate without resorting to this , you need to take a breath before posting.

You are not in trouble , I have just asked you to stay on topic or start your own thread. If you can't see this , I suggest you take a breath.

This is just speculation but sometimes I wonder if the fat acceptance movement is funded by the likes of McDonald's and Krispy Kreme. After all, people wanting to be at a healthy weight would cut into their sales but acceptance of obesity would keep their sales numbers up.

Nice conspiracy. Fat Acceptance movement has been going on since the 1960's so this is nothing new. Even my mom knew about it because I remember her telling me in 2004 that there are people out there who want special rules and will complain and there are people who will complain about clothes sizes and companies not making them in their size. They will go "Oh I hate it they don't have clothes in my size, they are discriminating me." She told me they are not entitled to clothes and companies are not obligated to make clothes in all sizes and stores are not obligated to carry them in all sizes, just go to a store that does. Pretty much everyone will tell you if you are having a hard time finding clothes your size, you work on weight loss. I thought then she was making it up and using it as a hypothetical thing but I learned couple years ago she was serious when I saw the Fat Acceptance movement online.

50 years later, they still haven't gotten anywhere because science does not care about feelings. There is no fatphobia in the medical industry, there is no conspiracy against fat people. No, people are not refusing to give you a ride because you're fat, their vehicle really can't handle your weight and you will break their car and make it go to the shop. No clothing companies are not purposely not making clothes in your size because they hate fat people, it's because they cost too much money to make real big ones and there isn't enough demand to make them in that size. Stores are not carrying them because they hate fat people, it's because of not enough demand. Instead they sell them online where there is less demand and they can keep them in their main warehouse.

No doctors are not refusing to give you surgery and using weight loss as blackmail because they hate fat people, it's because there are too many risks. I could go on but you get the picture. They have a huge victim complex and don't know how delusional they sound when they talk. I honestly block them out when I hear that nonsense. It's like listening to flat hearth believers or the holocaust deniers or the Sandy Hook shooting staged believers.

Regarding the original topic about fat acceptance, it's difficult to deal with, because our motivations conflict with one another.

We want people to be healthy and feel good, but we also want people to accept themselves and not feel insecure. We don't want to govern others' choices, but we also don't want people's poor choices to be glorified and influence others.

I don't think "fat acceptance" as a movement, or in a group context is, over all, a good thing. Most people are fat as a result of dietary and lifestyle choices, and they don't deliberately get fat because they want to be fat, so to an extent, what this movement is doing is encouraging the adoption or continuation of unhealthy habits, and potentially stifling people's progress towards a healthy weight range, because it's easier to say that everyone else and society is in the wrong for having a different perception of obesity than they do of a healthy weight and continue living the same way that made them obese in the first place. It's "other people are the real problem" syndrome. Even going as far as to reject medical facts so they feel better about their situation and justify not changing it.

I think we should continue encouraging everyone to work towards and maintain a healthy weight, and not glorify obesity, but also not put obese people down either. We should try to encourage them to lose the weight where it's appropriate to do so, and if they say they don't want to, we just have to accept their decision.

I also think that most people who are obese could benefit from psychological help, because most are probably depressed, and overeating as a biproduct of that depression I also think we'd do well to look at obesity (where it's caused by excessive or poor eating) as an eating disorder, and treat it as such. Maybe even treat it as an addiction for some.

Big Food companies are solely to blame for this big problem of growing rates of obesity. What must be done is that governments must regulate and impose taxes that make unhealthy foods more expensive and make healthy foods cheaper. Sugar taxes have been imposed in Europe and are working to lower the rates of obesity.

Yeah, crack's illegal because it's addictive and it kills people. Meanwhile we have killer food that's designed for addiction.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare junk food to crack, all things considered.

There is the sugar tax which got people upset. The thing with sugar is it releases endorphines (sp) in your brain making you want it more. If you eat real food, you won't eat a lot of it unless your tummy is so used to having a lot of food it has been stretched out. Lot of our American foods have sugar in them and we have gotten so used to it, we won't eat real food if it lacks flavor because we believe food is supposed to taste good, not bland. If you grew up with it, that is normal to you so you don't know any different so therefore we want food to taste good. That is another factor to obesity. Lot of people are overweight and more people are obese today.

Comparing it to alcohol would work, though. A reasonable amount of alcohol or junk food rarely causes trouble, but too much of one or the other has undeniable problems.

Obesity is not simple. I don't like reading posters saying that it is all an individual's fault. I'm not all for fat being celebrated, but I do favor treating people with respect regardless of their size.

There are economic, metabolic, genetic, and medications that can cause obesity. Also chronic illnesses. Sure, not everyone has an excuse, but we don't know for any given person what the cause might be.

Let's be grateful for what health we may have and not scorn those who are obese, ill, or unwell in any manner.

Previous medications and genetics are a big part of my weight. I aim to lose to 180 because my doctor says that is my most realistic weight based on those factors.