The Moon Landing Never Happened, a serious discussion

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27 Mar 2025, 12:03 pm

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I cant belive we are having "a serious discussion" here about if the moon landing happened or not. What's next: The Earth is flat?


Right?!



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27 Mar 2025, 12:07 pm

^This is the problem that we have with internet discourse in general. Someone can come along and post something that has been endlessly and exhaustively debunked and it generates four five thread pages of content. When it should just be ignored.


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27 Mar 2025, 12:25 pm

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We just dont know, how can we prove there were astronauts on the rocket, that it was manned? It was 1969 everything was very controlled and societal trust was very high and information was carefully managed.
Even back then it was possible to independently determine where radio comms originated. Guess where? The ground station and Saturn 5.

So the capsule was loaded with faked recordings forming part of some elaborate opera wherein the ground station had scripted responses designed to appear as though they were talking to living people?
Oh please. :roll:

Yep, my Dad was tracking signals to call in air strikes from the ground for the USMC from roughly '66 to '69, it was definitely possible to triangulate to location of signals well before that, provided that you had an appropriate number of antennae to work from. In modern times, the only thing stopping you from doing with just one is that you don't necessarily know where the source is along the path you're tracking. If it's something like a GPS satellite that provides the information about when the signal was sent, you can do it with 1. (The additional GPS satellites are more about increasing the precision and that you don't know where the GPS receiver is, on top of the GPS satellites not being in a fixed location)



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27 Mar 2025, 12:27 pm

BillyTree wrote:
I cant belive we are having "a serious discussion" here about if the moon landing happened or not. What's next: The Earth is flat?

It's a "serious" discussion in that the OP earnestly believes this, not that there's any sort of legitimate basis for not believing that the moon landings happened. If it were, that link I dropped with images of the sites taken through a telescope with information on how to do it yourself would have completely ended the discussion. You can literally see the tire tracks from the rover and it was flat out not possible during the '60s or '70s to remote operate such a vehicle from the Earth. Even now it's quite difficult and relies a lot on the computer queuing up instructions.



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27 Mar 2025, 2:59 pm

I honestly don't know; they say we're supposed to be able to look through a telescope and see things as small as tyre tracks, but then other things they insist we can't see like the mirrors-retroreflectors....so half of the time it's "which is it ?" when it's convenient.... I never said though I was fully convinced on this, I was always more in the 70/80 % crowd now, that it didn't happen.

I actually could now though these days fully buy the explanation that the Moon Landing fully DID happen, but just that the guys back in the 60s were just WAY more competent than the DEI hires and such and the absolute Bozos the Biden admin and todays' wokies and such have running something like the Artemis Project, which in today's terms if just laid out practically like this as to why they are nowhere close to getting a rocket like this off of the ground would certainly explain it very clearly and prosaically like this to me in the simplest terms.


Literally all the people in the Biden admin like that Sam Brinton and that Rachel Levine and Karine Jean-Pierre looked like they could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag, IMO.



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27 Mar 2025, 3:15 pm

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Literally all the people in the Biden admin like that Sam Brinton and that Rachel Levine and Karine Jean-Pierre looked like they could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag, IMO.


On what basis did you arrive at that conclusion, besides your own personal antipathy towards the Biden administration?

Based on job performance, I'd say it's clear the Biden administration didn't have anyone as incompetent as Pete Kegsbreath or Mike Waltz, but they're team red so you're going to ignore their obvious incompetence.


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27 Mar 2025, 3:16 pm

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^This is the problem that we have with internet discourse in general. Someone can come along and post something that has been endlessly and exhaustively debunked and it generates four five thread pages of content. When it should just be ignored.


The problem is that idiots will use being ignored as the basis for claiming they're being censored and just keep repeating their disinformation unchallenged.


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27 Mar 2025, 3:34 pm

I don't think that's right. I think it's because people can't let them go unchallenged that they persist. It makes it seem like a legitimate debate, and gives power to the conspiracist.

This thread for example, had no one responded, would have dropped down the list where far fewer people are likely to have seen it.

But instead it's been repeatedly on the front page of the site, getting it more views and more responses.


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27 Mar 2025, 3:38 pm

DuckHairback wrote:
This thread for example, had no one responded, would have dropped down the list where far fewer people are likely to have seen it.

But instead it's been repeatedly on the front page of the site, getting it more views and more responses.


That seems to rely on the assumption that the person promoting the humbug wouldn't just make more posts to the thread.

Based on previous experience with humbug peddlers, they don't need responses from other people to justify posting more of the same BS.


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27 Mar 2025, 3:53 pm

BillyTree wrote:
I cant belive we are having "a serious discussion" here about if the moon landing happened or not. What's next: The Earth is flat?


I was thinking chemtrails or communist Soviets meddling with the weather.



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27 Mar 2025, 3:57 pm

Maybe we can redo Pizzagate. Has anyone took a serious look into what goes on in the basement of that basement-less pizza joint?


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27 Mar 2025, 4:03 pm

^^^ trump Jr entered the chat



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27 Mar 2025, 5:05 pm

It's not just "Antipathy vs. the Biden Administration", as the hilarious struggles and ineptitude of the Artemis Project are well-known and they couldn't get this rocket off of the ground repeatedly. I think the extreme Woke regression over a few decades had directly something to do with this slide into failure.

The side you say is so "Anti-Science" hilariously happens to rule things now in the USA and also in countries like Hungary... you say it's "so wrong by definition" and always seem to be on the cusp of banning it instantly. but yet so many people like 77 million in the USA seem to agree with it and it seems to do nothing but grow... (hahaha)

I am definitely willing to say though it's a fallacy of sorts I'm overlooking that the Moon landing definitely could have happened, but it's just coloured in the present as the regression of skills thanks to Woke and DEI placement and all this has been so bad that it makes the West and countries like the USA look so incompetent in the present with a lot of this s**t, that it makes it to where the plausibility of feats like this in the past are also going to get called into question in a way that look like "conspiracies".



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28 Mar 2025, 12:32 am

DuckHairback wrote:
I don't think that's right. I think it's because people can't let them go unchallenged that they persist. It makes it seem like a legitimate debate, and gives power to the conspiracist.

This thread for example, had no one responded, would have dropped down the list where far fewer people are likely to have seen it.

But instead it's been repeatedly on the front page of the site, getting it more views and more responses.

TBH, you're sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's a bit like that old chestnut of asking people about when they stopped beating their spouse. It's really easy to answer the question incorrectly and this is sort of the same thing. Challenging it or not, either way it spreads. The only real way forward is to incorporate a bunch of education in school early on to help people determine the likelihood that a claim is bogus.



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28 Mar 2025, 1:39 am

There's no doubt that mis-, and therefore dis-, information drives content engagement.

If you've visited social media lately you'll maybe notice that a good portion of the posts contain deliberate mistakes.

Why? Because people who know they are right have a really hard time resisting the urge to correct people who are wrong. I.e. we comment.

And every time we do, we validate their nonsense with our attention.

You'll get more responses to a post with an error, factual or logical, than you will to one that everyone accepts is true.

Enough bad actors now understand this enough to make most social media virtually unusable.

Sites driven by algorithms will often promote 'popular' content, and doesn't care whether it's true. WP is not algorithmically driven but it still shows you the threads that are most active.

Conspiracy theorists are, at least in part, attention seekers. They enjoy an oppositional standpoint because they know people can't resist engaging with it. And the more facts and proof you provide them with, the more they will refute them.

The only way to beat them is to ignore them.

And yes, I'm literally doing the same thing by engaging with this thread. Never claimed to not be a hypocrite.


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29 Mar 2025, 1:42 am

Htaxu3 wrote:
I honestly don't know; they say we're supposed to be able to look through a telescope and see things as small as tyre tracks, but then other things they insist we can't see like the mirrors-retroreflectors....so half of the time it's "which is it ?" when it's convenient.... I never said though I was fully convinced on this, I was always more in the 70/80 % crowd now, that it didn't happen.

I actually could now though these days fully buy the explanation that the Moon Landing fully DID happen, but just that the guys back in the 60s were just WAY more competent than the DEI hires and such and the absolute Bozos the Biden admin and todays' wokies and such have running something like the Artemis Project, which in today's terms if just laid out practically like this as to why they are nowhere close to getting a rocket like this off of the ground would certainly explain it very clearly and prosaically like this to me in the simplest terms.


Literally all the people in the Biden admin like that Sam Brinton and that Rachel Levine and Karine Jean-Pierre looked like they could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag, IMO.

You don't have to understand, either do it or just acknowledge that you don't really care about the truth. There's probably even a club that would help you see for yourself.

Sometimes it's not about understanding. Telescopes can see a lot. People have been able to see far off objects like the rings of saturn for centuries with home made gear, it's not like it's a small number of people that have access.