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What is your religious belief?
Christian 50%  50%  [ 21 ]
Atheist 29%  29%  [ 12 ]
Other 21%  21%  [ 9 ]
Total votes : 42

TwilightPrincess
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04 Sep 2023, 11:20 am

^^^ I tend to think that cults exist on a spectrum. Some groups have traits but not enough to be fully considered a cult, and on the other end of the spectrum are extreme groups like Heaven’s Gate.

From what you’ve said before, your former church seems pretty controlling to me. That’s really what it boils down to.



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04 Sep 2023, 11:21 am

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Yeah. There are a lot of Christians who simply believe in the Christian God and don't pay close attention to the detail of a specific doctrine. At least in the UK where Christianity is weaker. I don't have experience of US Christians - only online really.

There’s a lot of variation. Liberal Christians are like that here. There are extreme Christian groups in the UK, too.



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04 Sep 2023, 11:39 am

Mormons will wear dark clothes and walk to the Temple in the blazing heat.I saw that first hand.
Also saw some of Warrens Jeff’s bunch when I was in Utah.The women were dressed like Little House on the Prairie.
They keep a town clean.Very family oriented with lots of parks.The cleanest port-a-potties I’ve ever seen.
I went to the Mountain Meadows site .Some distant relative’s remains are there.


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04 Sep 2023, 11:42 am

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I kind of like the women's top if it could be more form fitting and worn as an eyelet corset.


It could almost pass for steampunk. :wink:

It’s not bad except for the fact that it must be worn under clothes.



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04 Sep 2023, 11:57 am

TwilightPrincess wrote:
^^^ I tend to think that cults exist on a spectrum. Some groups have traits but not enough to be fully considered a cult, and on the other end of the spectrum are extreme groups like Heaven’s Gate.

From what you’ve said before, your former church seems pretty controlling to me. That’s really what it boils down to.

Or at least the mindset my parents, especially mom, had.

Just went on a walk while listening to music, and this song came on. It is extremely reminiscent of how I felt while in the process of leaving IFB.

"It takes a simple nod to fall in line
But it takes everything to stand alone
Eventually you may end up crossing the line
Before you understand that your ass is on your own
Believe me

I don't judge you just because of what you do
So don't judge me on things I'd rather not do
It ain't easy trying not to fit in
Lost touch to a few close ones cuz I didn't give in"

I very much felt like a lone wolf shunned from their pack during that time. I even drew art based off this imagery.


"I wanna live my life not to just exist
Gonna get my rights so I fight back and resist
They wanna do it like they own me
Make another me like cloning only little do they know me
You can never hold me"

"Nothing is promised
Nothing is flawless
Everything's a contest
So I've got to take a shot
I will not take a swat
From any spot
Cuz I've got
To fight back"

"Determined not to surrender
Under any circumstances
Over my dead body is their only chances"


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04 Sep 2023, 2:07 pm



God is the Wave That Falls And Rises;

Some Folks Attempt to Reduce This Wave; Yes,
And Materially Reduce it to Only 'Particles;' Yes,
Books, Covers, Pages, And Oh Dear Lord A Word

As Small As 3 Letters When Waves Exist NoWHeRE EVeRWHeRE NeW;'

Only 4 Percent of Nobel Prize Winning Physicists Assess Themselves as Atheist;

Not Really a Big Surprise to me as the More You Understand About the Processes

of the Natural World, Generally Speaking, the More You Admit How Little You Actually Know Still To Explore...

As Far As Informal and More Scientifically Conducted Studies on the Religious Beliefs of Folks on the 'Wrong

Planet,' the Result in The Informal Polling Is Almost Identical to The Boston University Study Done on Religious

Beliefs of Folks in the Philosophy, Politics, And Religion Forum on the Wrong Planet in a Study Done over the

Course of an Entire Year From 2008 to 2009; Where That Study Found a Percentage of Atheists of 26 Percent,
Similar to the Informal Poll Here, so far with 27 Percent; Yet It's True Some Folks Don't Consider Themselves

Part of Any Religion at All;

They May Have Difficulty Putting

Their Experience of what they Metaphor

As Spirituality Even into Words as Truly Words

Only Approximate The Essence of Reality as it Exists Now;

For Instance, How Limited the Word Tree Describes All the Leaves on All the Varieties of Trees;

Like the Tree Christianity; Now, When there are 45,000 Plus Denominations Around the World;

Like the Term Religion; Now, Where There Are Around 4200, In the World, Generally Assessed too;

And Again, Those Are Only the Ones With Names; TRAINED AS a Participant Anthropologist Observer
As Part of My Degree, Anthropology; One of Three at University Level Study; i Still Do it Just For Fun;

Participating, Visiting Churches, Interviewing So Many Individual Members in the Pews; Not Surprisingly,

Like Folks Attempting to Find the Meaning of Any Poem, The Views Will Be Slightly Different to Vastly Different

Just in One Pew, Among Folks In Just One Church, With Just One Pastor, and One Flavor of Religion too; For this

is the Human Condition; At Core Science Shows It's Not Really All that Rational; as a Synergy of Our Feelings

And Senses in Emotions Drive Almost All We Do Before We Even Have a Chance to Attempt to Describe the

Reasons For What We Do...

As Neuroscience Suggests We

Basically Hallucinate Our Realities
Now Based on Realities We Basically Hallucinate Before...

This Makes the Study of the Vast Within Much More Complicated
Than the Study of the Stars Above As They Are Farther Away And Easier to Define that way so Ironically True...

For me at Least, my Home is Nature; my God Is LoVE iN Peace; my Religion is Kindness; Yet as i Co-Create ThiS Way
of Life With Only Relative Free Will of my Conscious Thinking Mind that Science Suggests Now only Represents about

.5 Percent of my Reality,

i Understand ThiS Way

of my Individual Spirituality

For Real Is Only An Art and Never
A Science Alone That Will Fit in Any One Word,

Cover, Or Pages of a Book; As Change is the Reality;

And All Of Nature Including Us Of Course is in Flux of Change Eternally Now;

Once Again, Waves Fall and Rise; Some Folks Attempt to Materially Reduce
Waves to only Particles;

Yet Waves Continue

to Exist NoWHeRE EVeRWHeRE NeW;

i'm Really Not Sure What That Means Yet That

iS A Way God Feels to me, Like a Forrest Gump

Feather; Just Floating in the Breeze As Sure As Dust in the Wind Exists Newly Now...

Hehe, Is it Any Wonder Folks Demand a Feather in the Breeze Do What They Want it to...

True, Humans Have

A Long Tradition

of Attempting to Trap

Wind in a Jar And Keep it Breathing, hehe...

Other Than that one of my Favorite Movies About Reality

is 'Contact,' Inspired by A Book Carl Sagan Wrote, Where An Alien

Visits Jody Foster and Helps Her With a Mystical Journey Within;

And The Message Is Simple; Humans Are Capable of Co-Creating Greatest

Dreams and Nightmares as an Interesting Mix of Beings of Nature; And Similarly

The Alien

Expressed

The Only Thing

That Makes the Emptiness
of Space Bearable is the Warm

Connections Among Each Other;

So He Just Suggested Start Making

Small Steps of More Connections And Realize

When You Do in Warmth You've Come to A Best
Place in All of Existence THeRE is Newly Now; Yet

It's True Mileage Varies, Depending On Make and Model;

Vehicle

And
Vessel;

And Yes Essence of Being Now...

Per the Movie "Contact," it's Harder to
Be in a Bad Mood When You Become 'The Beach;'

(Specifically, Navarre and Pensacola Beach Where i am From too;
Great Grandfather, Homesteading 150 Acres, There in the Early 1900's)

The Stars

Above

The

Stars Within;'

The Waves That
Continue NoWHeRE EVeRWHeRE NeWLY NoW...

Grains of Sand Holding Hands; God Yes, Holding Up
Potential Human Mountains oF LoVE iN Peace FoR REAL NoW..:)

Carl Sagan, Admitted in His Later Years How Restricted His Mind
Was, And How Hallucinogenic Substances Help to Expand His Human Potentials...

Fortunately,

For me, i Don't Require that;

Again, Difference Vehicles and Vessels, iNdeed...



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04 Sep 2023, 2:14 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
I kind of like the women's top if it could be more form fitting and worn as an eyelet corset.


It could almost pass for steampunk. :wink:

It’s not bad except for the fact that it must be worn under clothes.

Hot black suits and walking in the hot Utah sun.


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04 Sep 2023, 6:14 pm

Misslizard wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
I kind of like the women's top if it could be more form fitting and worn as an eyelet corset.


It could almost pass for steampunk. :wink:

It’s not bad except for the fact that it must be worn under clothes.

Hot black suits and walking in the hot Utah sun.

I've seen them do it in the Australian summer. Complete with suit and temple garment. And no car. One of them asked me if I needed any help around the house. I said the lawn needs to be mowed. So he mowed the lawn while I watched TV inside.


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04 Sep 2023, 9:52 pm

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How many others here are Christians?

I am quiverfull/Christian Communalist/mainline church of Christ.



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04 Sep 2023, 10:27 pm

Am a Christian. A terrible one at that, but I try to be a nice one. :lol:

I have a personal dislike towards JWs….they sent me hand written letters when a family member died to try and get me to come to their church. It was so creepy how they found my address.


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04 Sep 2023, 10:33 pm

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Am a Christian. A terrible one at that, but I try to be a nice one. :lol:

I have a personal dislike towards JWs….they sent me hand written letters when a family member died to try and get me to come to their church. It was so creepy how they found my address.

They are writing to people systematically.

Sometimes they target people by looking at obituaries, too. It’s really gross, predatory behavior, but they don’t see it that way.



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04 Sep 2023, 10:33 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
I kind of like the women's top if it could be more form fitting and worn as an eyelet corset.


It could almost pass for steampunk. :wink:

It’s not bad except for the fact that it must be worn under clothes.

Hot black suits and walking in the hot Utah sun.

I've seen them do it in the Australian summer. Complete with suit and temple garment. And no car. One of them asked me if I needed any help around the house. I said the lawn needs to be mowed. So he mowed the lawn while I watched TV inside.



:lol: Good on you! It was mutually advantageous because maybe he'll go to heaven faster.
At the very least he'll feel good about himself, and that has to count for something.


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04 Sep 2023, 10:34 pm

Do those women's tops count as a bra or do they have a bra under them, making four straps?


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04 Sep 2023, 10:35 pm

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Do those women's tops count as a bra or do they have a bra under them, making four straps?

I think they usually have a bra under them.



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04 Sep 2023, 10:36 pm

Just remembered they weren't strappy, but still ..... ugggg, the horror.

I hate layers. I hate bras. I hate being told what to wear.

I didn't know about those garments. Makes me cringe.


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04 Sep 2023, 10:39 pm

I hated being told that I had to wear a skirt or dress to church and to preach. Telling people what they have to wear is pretty culty.