How will Americans adjust to life in an authoritarian state?
This film came out in 1971, but the reasoning Rev. Pirkle used in the film is similar to what MAGAs use today.
Immigrants/men of color could be substituted for the communists featured in the film.
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"A world of chaos, corruption and hypocrisy": Welcome to Donald Trump's fundraising emails
"Deep State thugs" want "a tin-pot dictatorship," Trump tells his followers. Experts help decode the insanity
Donald Trump's recent fundraising emails appear unhinged and delusional even by his standards. They offer numerous examples of his enraged state of mind, his appetite for conspiratorial thinking and outright lies, his disregard for reality, his cult-like power over his followers and his increasingly explicit contempt for democracy and the rule of law.
Although his language at times appears farcical, these are real-time warnings that Americans who oppose the MAGA agenda should take seriously. Consider this example, sent about 10 days ago after Trump had attended the early days of his New York civil trial:
I just finished the third day of my sham trial in New York. For the past three days, I sat in a courtroom in the city I grew up in, the city I raised my family in, the city I built a tremendous organization in, the city I loved — and I listened to the Democrats fervently try to destroy everything my family and I have built. The Left wants to take down “Trump Tower” — a world-famous New York landmark, they want to dissolve the Trump Organization, and their ultimate goal is to financially ruin me and my family.
It was also here in New York that I was wrongfully arrested by a Soros-backed District Attorney earlier this year. It was the first time I was ever arrested in my entire life. ... But the truth is: this is not the same city I knew and loved. Frankly, this is not even the same country we once knew. Radical Left thugs have let crime, vandalism, filth, left-wing extremism, and illegal immigration pollute what was once the greatest city in the world.
And that’s what they want to do to all of America. Friend, I’m not running for President for myself. I’m running because I truly believe our country is dying. When I go back to a place like New York and see what’s happened, my resolve grows even stronger to save America. 2024 is our final chance to fix the greatest country in history — and I have absolute faith that with your support, we can turn it around, and turn it around FAST!
This one went out to Trump's massive mailing list last Monday:
Our Founding Fathers would be rolling in their graves if they could see what is happening to the America they left us — once the freest country in the world. But these Deep State thugs truly are monsters…
They would trade our Republic for a tin-pot dictatorship in a heartbeat if it meant an everlasting grip on power. And mark my words, if they succeed at INTERFERING in this election, in the FINAL BATTLE for our country, America will never be the same.
His movement of "more than 74 MILLION patriots," Trump concludes, "will NEVER, EVER SURRENDER our country to Third World Marxist tyranny!" These fundraising emails, and Trump’s larger communications strategy, offer almost a textbook example of how fascists and autocrats seek to erode democracy by maintaining and expanding their control over their followers, and bulid political power more broadly.
Trump also uses these emails to threaten or intimidate prosecutors, judges and law enforcement officials (as well as potential witnesses and jurors) who seek to hold him accountable for his crimes.
While those outside the MAGAverse are understandably tempted to mock Trump’s inflated or hyperbolic language, these emails have proven highly lucrative for the ex-president. The Trump campaign reports that it took in almost $46 million in donations in the third quarter of 2023. Trump is intelligent enough, after his fashion; he knows what his followers want and gives it to them.
I asked Jennifer Mercieca, a historian of political rhetoric at Texas A&M and the author of "Demagogue for President: The Rhetorical Genius of Donald Trump," for her thoughts about Trump’s language in recent fundraising emails. She responded by email:
Trump follows this fascist playbook to the letter: There are determined and scary enemies. Those enemies have broken all of the rules to attack Trump, whose only crime was trying to defend his followers from their attacks. Trump suffers for his followers, so his followers owe him. They owe him their loyalty, votes and money. Trump vows to continue to fight on, because his fight is really their fight. His followers should stand with him and give him power so he can keep fighting for them.
Federico Finchelstein, a historian at the New School and author of “A Brief History of Fascist Lies,” argues that Trump’s recent fundraising emails offer evidence of his “innovative” ability to combine his roles as an aspiring dictator and a supposedly successful businessman selling “salvation” to his followers:
If fascism was a totalitarian ideology, movement and regime, Trumpism is that plus a personal business. The fascist identification between people, nation and leader mutates in Trumpism. It becomes not only a wannabe fascist project but also a business. ... Trump promises a new salvation that invokes the racist past but also is indifferent to it. Reaction and lies about the future are combined by Trump.
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Where are you getting "MAGA terrorists have killed dozens of hundreds of people"?
I said dozens maybe over a hundred. I am using “MAGA” as is commonly used, as a stand in for any attack with white nationalist, nativist, homophobic, transphobic motivations. If you add up the Tree of Life attack, the gay nightclub in Colorado, the one against Mexicans in Texas and so on they add up to dozens maybe over a hundred killed.
I am sure you have noticed that nobody is objecting to the use of “MAGA” as a weaponized catch all term. We both know why that is.
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I am sure you have noticed that nobody is objecting to the use of “MAGA” as a weaponized catch all term. We both know why that is.
Commonly used by who?
Also, if that's the standard you're going to use, I think you need to move the Tree of Life massacre to the woke scoreboard, since they've gone full mask off regarding Jews recently.
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Pretty sure Robert Gregory Bowers will be very clear about where he falls between MAGA and woke. How much more entrenched in the alt-right does someone to be before you'll accept them being identified with MAGA?
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I was being facetious, though IIRC wasn't this the guy who said he wasn't into Trump because he was too close to the Jews or something?
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I was being facetious, though IIRC wasn't this the guy who said he wasn't into Trump because he was too close to the Jews or something?
Fair enough, I'm dense as f**k when it comes to noticing some jokes.
He might be, if not there's been at least one fitting that description. I'd still feel comfortable lumping those guys in since where do you stand on Israel doesn't seem to be a defining feature of the American nationalist and/or white nationalist political bloc.
It's fair to recognize that the overlap between the far-right and supporting Trump isn't always perfect. Not every person on the far-right is deeply invested in Trump personally, but also some of them who support him do so because they view his political career as beneficial to their cause even if they dislike him personally. MAGA's become short-hand for all sorts of different right-wing blocs and they're not all in lockstep, either in terms of agenda or in terms of liking Trump personally.
I'm waiting for the first Nazbol terrorist action, just to see how the left and right bicker over who owns it.
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Okay, if I agree to this characterization will you trade me recognizing that woke is in a similar position as an imperfect catch-all for leftish identity politics?
Right? That's one I'll give you as more likely to come from the right to start, Tucker Carlson occasionally seems to channel Bernie Sanders and it's unnerving.
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Okay, if I agree to this characterization will you trade me recognizing that woke is in a similar position as an imperfect catch-all for leftish identity politics?
That seems fair. MAGA and woke are often pretty poor catch-alls, especially if the topic is issues that don't unify that bloc.
Right? That's one I'll give you as more likely to come from the right to start, Tucker Carlson occasionally seems to channel Bernie Sanders and it's unnerving.
I'm sure the person who commits it will be completely incomprehensible relative to how people would like to understand them. We get confused when people hold several extreme views from what are generally considered conflicting ideologies, even if the views aren't inherently in conflict.
The left-wing of the MAGA movement (not to be confused with the more centrist-leaning among them) seems to attract a lot of ideologically unique individuals. Not agreeable, just interesting to see how they reconcile different things and how they arrived where they are.
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Minor nit: Heather Heyer was murdered at a counter-protest against the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017, not the "Stop the Steal" rally in 2020.
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What exactly do you mean by "leftish identity politics"? Does your definition of "woke" include, for example, everyone who has ever marched in an LGBT Pride Parade?
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Where are you getting "MAGA terrorists have killed dozens of hundreds of people"?
I said dozens maybe over a hundred. I am using “MAGA” as is commonly used, as a stand in for any attack with white nationalist, nativist, homophobic, transphobic motivations. If you add up the Tree of Life attack, the gay nightclub in Colorado, the one against Mexicans in Texas and so on they add up to dozens maybe over a hundred killed.
I am sure you have noticed that nobody is objecting to the use of “MAGA” as a weaponized catch all term. We both know why that is.
I object to mass generalisations, particularly when they are as above or in other ways ‘weaponized’ ~ being that such examples of adversarialism are undemocratic in terms of not being collaborative, and are therefore authoritarian ~ by way of collectively demeaning and as such oppressing individual freedoms.
Consider for instance that there are ‘quasi’ and ‘faux’ capitalists that parasitically undermine and overwhelm the economy ~ with boom and bust antics; whilst there are ‘actual’ capitalists that underpin and develop it as much for themselves as everyone one else ~ in order that there is sustainable symbiotic growth.
Hence there being a need to state that “MAGA” ‘extremists’ are a problem when it comes to terrorism, rather than all those who want to conservatively and or progressively make America great again in terms of together striving to be an equal and just society.
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