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12 Dec 2024, 7:47 pm

I love how we're pretending Israeli antagonism is actually self-defence. World's most successful crybullies.


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12 Dec 2024, 7:49 pm

So terrorists ought to be free to attack citizens in other countries?


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12 Dec 2024, 8:09 pm

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Israel has every right to fight back against those who attack them. They have no obligation whatsoever to just sit back and take it. When terrorists attack them and rape, torture, and murder their women and children, you had better believe that they have every right to put a stop to such attacks.

Of course, that is in relation to Hamas.

In Syria, they have a vested interest in making sure that terrorists don't get access to materials that can be used to attack them.



Fighting back would be one thing.... :roll:
and yes their interests might be better served if they hadn't masscred others peoples countries populations.
And attempted to convince their own countries people that these are correct actions ..

but can understand people having bias if they support such activities very possibly .
And yes ,yes revenge is always the answer..? An eye for an eye, And a tooth for a tooth , leaves alot of people blind and toothless . ( written with sarcasm in mind)


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12 Dec 2024, 8:12 pm

Revenge is not the answer.

It is entirely appropriate to limit the ability of the terrorists to continue their acts of terrorism. That is hardly the same as revenge.


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12 Dec 2024, 8:30 pm

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So terrorists ought to be free to attack citizens in other countries?


I don't believe anyone has said this. You're relying on a dishonest strawman because you don't have any honest argument to rely upon.

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Revenge is not the answer.


Tell that to Israel. Israel consistently responds with disproportionate force that's intended to impose collective punishment, but somehow that's supposed to be overlooked because they're the designated good guys.


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12 Dec 2024, 9:04 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
So terrorists ought to be free to attack citizens in other countries?


I don't believe anyone has said this. You're relying on a dishonest strawman because you don't have any honest argument to rely upon.

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Revenge is not the answer.


Tell that to Israel. Israel consistently responds with disproportionate force that's intended to impose collective punishment, but somehow that's supposed to be overlooked because they're the designated good guys.


Revenge and retaliation are not the same thing.


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12 Dec 2024, 11:09 pm

This word Terrorists is used pretty freely ..by most gov. that are familiar propaganda . To Lebanese, Syrian ,
Palestinians , am quite sure consider the Israelis terrorists . Lebanon never even got to fire a shot ..?
So what sort of retaliation should they have against Israel , and all the deaths they caused ...targeting children aswell.
It will most likely be the type that only the Israeli deserve/ caused, will be generational hate . Theyhave doomed their population and their childrens, children to a long term hostility. From its surrounding countries.. Thank you
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13 Dec 2024, 5:42 am

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This word Terrorists is used pretty freely


Words MUST have meaning to be useful. I get really tired of the left and the right trying to redefine words in ways that benefit their mindset.

For example, terrorism is the practice of using severe terror against civilians in order to push their agenda. Yet, the left and the right often use the words in ways that show that they are clearly abusing the words for their own purposes. On these threads, it often seems like people are using the word terrorism to mean "something I disapprove of", not something that relates to it's normal meaning.


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13 Dec 2024, 9:03 am

^^^^^^^ Agrees with the anove ^^^^^^


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13 Dec 2024, 11:51 am

Israel orders troops to remain in Syria buffer zone through winter

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Israel ordered troops Friday to prepare to remain throughout winter on Mount Hermon — a strategic peak inside a buffer zone that has existed for decades with Syria but which Israeli forces have seized in the wake of the Assad regime's collapse.

It was the latest sign that Israel may maintain a presence in Syria for a prolonged period, defying international pressure to halt its advances and airstrikes as the world hopes to secure a peaceful transition in the country.

On Friday crowds massed in central squares across Syria to celebrate the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad, urged on by the head of the Islamist group who led the stunning rebel advance

Israel to keep troops on Mt Hermon
Israel has said that its actions in Syria are temporary and defensive, but backlash has grown over what United Nations chief António Guterres on Thursday called “extensive violations of Syria’s sovereignty and territorial integrity" as he urged Israeli forces to withdraw from the buffer zone.

He also expressed concern over hundreds of Israeli strikes on locations across Syria following the toppling of the Assad regime, which Israel has said are aimed at preventing the regime’s arsenal falling into the hands of militants.

“Due to what is happening in Syria, there is a huge security importance to our holding of the Hermon peak and everything must be done to ensure the IDF’s preparations in the area, to allow the troops to stay there in the difficult weather conditions,” Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said in a statement Friday.

He shared a photo on X that he said showed him with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu overlooking Mount Hermon with binoculars, saying the site had "returned to Israeli control after 51 years."

"An exciting historical moment," he wrote.

Netanyahu's office has said that the collapse of the Assad regime "created a vacuum on Israel’s border and in the buffer zone," which was established as part of a ceasefire between the countries following the 1973 Arab-Israeli War.

"Israel will not permit jihadi groups to fill that vacuum and threaten Israeli communities on the Golan Heights," his office said.

Israel occupied and later annexed the Golan Heights after the 1967 Mideast war, a move not recognized by most of the international community.

At over 9,000 feet, Mount Hermon stands as the highest peak in the eastern Mediterranean coast. Israel has drawn swift backlash over its seizure of the area in the past week, with critics accusing the country of exploiting the situation with a land grab.

In Syria, tens of thousands gathered across the country for mass rallies celebrating Assad's ouster after worshippers gathered for the first Friday prayers since his family's 50 years of brutal rule was brought to an end.

Abu Mohammad al-Jolani, the leader of the main rebel group that ousted Assad, called on Syrians in a video message to "take to the squares to celebrate the victory."

But he urged revelers to celebrate without firing bullets or causing a commotion "so that we can then move on to building this country."

Deadly strikes continue in Gaza
Concerns over Israel's actions in Syria come as Israeli forces also continued their campaign in Gaza, where Palestinian health officials said dozens of people were killed in an assault on the Nuseirat refugee camp on Thursday.

Dr. Marwan Al-Hamas, Director of the Field Hospitals in Gaza, told NBC News that at least 36 people were killed and 43 injured after Israeli forces struck a post office building and several homes in the area in central Gaza.

The Israel Defense Forces said it was targeting a "senior terrorist in the Islamic Jihad" whom it said was "responsible for leading terror attacks against Israeli civilians an IDF troops."

The IDF said an initial inquiry suggested that "secondary explosions" occurred due to numerous weapons in the area. The IDF did not provide evidence for the claim and said it was reviewing reports of casualties related to the strike.

Video captured by NBC News' crew in Gaza showed harrowing scenes of people being rescued from a mass of rubble.
At one point, a young child could be seen being carried into a hospital, with their face heavily bloodied and their body motionless.

The child was laid down in a room where the bodies of those killed were being wrapped in shrouds. Another small child could also be seen lying on the floor.


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13 Dec 2024, 3:08 pm

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Netanyahu's office has said that the collapse of the Assad regime "created a vacuum on Israel’s border and in the buffer zone," which was established as part of a ceasefire between the countries following the 1973 Arab-Israeli War.

"Israel will not permit jihadi groups to fill that vacuum and threaten Israeli communities on the Golan Heights," his office said.


He makes a great point there. If there is a power vacuum, someone is going to fill it and you don't want whoever fills it to be your sworn enemies.


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13 Dec 2024, 4:50 pm

kokopelli wrote:
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Netanyahu's office has said that the collapse of the Assad regime "created a vacuum on Israel’s border and in the buffer zone," which was established as part of a ceasefire between the countries following the 1973 Arab-Israeli War.

"Israel will not permit jihadi groups to fill that vacuum and threaten Israeli communities on the Golan Heights," his office said.


He makes a great point there. If there is a power vacuum, someone is going to fill it and you don't want whoever fills it to be your sworn enemies.



Well this does make some weird kinda sense If you were engaged in a all out declared War. But if there are no soldiers to fight , and your just destroying stuff ..in the USA thats called destruction of public property or outright Vandalism .
Kinda like maybe the concept of retroactively . Doing things , like killing men women and CHILDREN. So you do not have to deal with people "your country has terrorized" ,,later on in some future time .
Guess people might get back what they give ? retaliation/ revenge. (Retroactive abortion, kill the parent before they could have anymore babies ? ) just offered as a comparison , albeit a severe one . :(


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13 Dec 2024, 5:11 pm

Jakki wrote:
This word Terrorists is used pretty freely ..by most gov. that are familiar propaganda . To Lebanese, Syrian ,
Palestinians , am quite sure consider the Israelis terrorists . Lebanon never even got to fire a shot ..?
So what sort of retaliation should they have against Israel , and all the deaths they caused ...targeting children aswell.
It will most likely be the type that only the Israeli deserve/ caused, will be generational hate . Theyhave doomed their population and their childrens, children to a long term hostility. From its surrounding countries.. Thank you
Mr Netanyahu

If the Israelis aren't terrorists, at the government level, it's purely because they're representing a country. I'm not really sure that being a terrorist is really any worse than simply being war criminals or other actors that engage in crimes against humanity.



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13 Dec 2024, 5:13 pm

kokopelli wrote:
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Netanyahu's office has said that the collapse of the Assad regime "created a vacuum on Israel’s border and in the buffer zone," which was established as part of a ceasefire between the countries following the 1973 Arab-Israeli War.

"Israel will not permit jihadi groups to fill that vacuum and threaten Israeli communities on the Golan Heights," his office said.


He makes a great point there. If there is a power vacuum, someone is going to fill it and you don't want whoever fills it to be your sworn enemies.


That implies that there's some power that could fill the void that would be acceptable to Netanyahu/IDF, the reality is that it's just another excuse, if they felt this strongly, they could always have intervened to help prop Assad up.

I swear, some of you people are just going to continue being Israel's lapdogs until they decide that Washington D.C. is part of greater Israel and as such, the Israelis are entitled to it.



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13 Dec 2024, 5:52 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Netanyahu's office has said that the collapse of the Assad regime "created a vacuum on Israel’s border and in the buffer zone," which was established as part of a ceasefire between the countries following the 1973 Arab-Israeli War.

"Israel will not permit jihadi groups to fill that vacuum and threaten Israeli communities on the Golan Heights," his office said.


He makes a great point there. If there is a power vacuum, someone is going to fill it and you don't want whoever fills it to be your sworn enemies.


That implies that there's some power that could fill the void that would be acceptable to Netanyahu/IDF, the reality is that it's just another excuse, if they felt this strongly, they could always have intervened to help prop Assad up.

I swear, some of you people are just going to continue being Israel's lapdogs until they decide that Washington D.C. is part of greater Israel and as such, the Israelis are entitled to it.


Blathering a lot, aren't you?

I'm often critical of Israel, but I do recognize that they have every right to defend themselves from terrorist attacks. Stop the terrorist attacks and I'll go back to being very critical of Israel because of their unwarranted attack on the USS Liberty.

As for the bombings in Syria, the real question for me is whether they are endeavoring to limit the impact to civilians. In my limited reading about it, I haven't read about any civilians being hit at all by the strikes. The strikes are reportedly all against military sites, not homes and farms.


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13 Dec 2024, 6:30 pm

yes..durn it , this thread is only about Syria ..! durn Lebanese and Palestinians are just in the way,,,! 8O


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