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18 Jul 2022, 10:30 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Slippery slope fallacy


Current events indicate otherwise.



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18 Jul 2022, 10:33 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Slippery slope fallacy


Current events indicate otherwise.


No, they don't.

You say that you will be called a bigoted monster for not having pride flags. Then you state that you feel this way because you see them being flown in a variety of places. This is like the gold standard of the slippery slope fallacy.

You could be called a bigot for making homophobic remarks, though. That's a valid fear, but it has a simple solution.


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18 Jul 2022, 10:34 pm

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The only instance I know of is within a certain period of Greco-Roman history when they were at the height of hedonism.


That's my point. It may not be plastered throughout history books, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist. People were afraid of being openly gay (or trans or queer) in many societies because of the fear of Hell, which in my opinion came from the fear of STI and poverty. There are many stories of LGBTQ people or people who felt the need to hide their true orientation and lie to their families. I don't think that is in any way more Christian than loving one's partner openly today.

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Yeah but if they don't want to, don't they stand the chance of being accused of being bigoted monsters?


I don't think anyone is a bigoted monster for not waving flags.
You may have noticed that I'm big on people having diverse opinions on every topic.
I honestly don't care (I'm not offended) if you aren't comfortable with it or not.
I know people with diverse opinions on many topics, and they're still my friends.

I do take offence when people suggest others are going to Hell for having different opinions.
I also dislike when people try to impose their beliefs on others.
I may think LGBTQ is totally normal and acceptable, but I don't expect you to agree with me.
I only expect that you agree to disagree, without saying people are going to Hell.


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18 Jul 2022, 10:39 pm

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I do take offence when people suggest others are going to Hell for having different opinions.
I also dislike when people try to impose their beliefs on others.
I may think LGBTQ is totally normal and acceptable, but I don't expect you to agree with me.
I only expect that you agree to disagree, without saying people are going to Hell.


I also take offence when people say who is or isn't a "true" Christian because Hell (or perhaps the absence of Heaven) is implied.


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18 Jul 2022, 10:40 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Slippery slope fallacy


Current events indicate otherwise.


No, they don't.

You say that you will be called a bigoted monster for not having pride flags. Then you state that you feel this way because you see them being flown in a variety of places. This is like the gold standard of the slippery slope fallacy.

You could be called a bigot for making homophobic remarks, though. That's a valid fear, but it has a simple solution.


I said people could be worried about being labeled that. We're in the outrage and negative labeling era.



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18 Jul 2022, 10:41 pm

There really aren’t all that many “pride” flags around.

There’s none in my neighborhood, which is a very multicultural neighborhood. Nobody feels compelled to fly them here.



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18 Jul 2022, 10:42 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
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Twilightprincess wrote:
Slippery slope fallacy


Current events indicate otherwise.


No, they don't.

You say that you will be called a bigoted monster for not having pride flags. Then you state that you feel this way because you see them being flown in a variety of places. This is like the gold standard of the slippery slope fallacy.

You could be called a bigot for making homophobic remarks, though. That's a valid fear, but it has a simple solution.


I said people could be worried about being labeled that. We're in the outrage and negative labeling era.


Sometimes specific labels are warranted, but fear over being labeled a bigot for not flying pride flags is misplaced.


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18 Jul 2022, 10:43 pm

A straight gay would be more of an oxymoron.


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18 Jul 2022, 10:49 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
I do take offence when people suggest others are going to Hell for having different opinions.
I also dislike when people try to impose their beliefs on others.
I may think LGBTQ is totally normal and acceptable, but I don't expect you to agree with me.
I only expect that you agree to disagree, without saying people are going to Hell.


I also take offence when people say who is or isn't a "true" Christian because Hell (or perhaps the absence of Heaven) is implied.

It was Christ himself who set those terms.



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18 Jul 2022, 10:52 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Sometimes specific labels are warranted, but fear over being labeled a bigot for not flying pride flags is misplaced.


Misplaced or not, that doesn't mean people don't or won't feel like they're being put under pressure.



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18 Jul 2022, 10:54 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There really aren’t all that many “pride” flags around.

There’s none in my neighborhood, which is a very multicultural neighborhood. Nobody feels compelled to fly them here.

It's far more prevalent in urban areas where US and state flags are flown. Especially on the west coast.



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18 Jul 2022, 11:12 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
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Sometimes specific labels are warranted, but fear over being labeled a bigot for not flying pride flags is misplaced.


Misplaced or not, that doesn't mean people don't or won't feel like they're being put under pressure.


You are worried about experiencing theoretical pressure, and yet, you are stating that groups of people will go to Hell.

I just find it really puzzling when people feel threatened by acceptance and tolerance while happily casting judgment on others. It does not compute (even though I should be used to it by this point).


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18 Jul 2022, 11:33 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
You are worried about experiencing theoretical pressure, and yet, you are stating that groups of people will go to Hell.

I didn't say anything about people going to hell, you and Isabella did. I said to people who hate God, heaven would be like hell to them.
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I just find it really puzzling when people feel threatened by acceptance and tolerance while happily casting judgment on others. It does not compute (even though I should be used to it by this point).

It's gone beyond pretending to be okay with it being good enough.

Jesus forbade us to cast judgement on anyone. But people misconstrue simply stating what the Bible says in regard to right and wrong, which is all I have done, as me personally passing judgement, which is a false accusation.



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18 Jul 2022, 11:37 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There really aren’t all that many “pride” flags around.

There’s none in my neighborhood, which is a very multicultural neighborhood. Nobody feels compelled to fly them here.

It's far more prevalent in urban areas where US and state flags are flown. Especially on the west coast.


There are lots of pride flags where I live, but we just had Pride month.
I think every school flies one below the national flag.
Ambulances and fire trucks and emergency vehicles all have them.
They aren't big and you'd barely notice them on vehicles, but they're there.
I don't know of any group complaining about it even if they were forced to comply.

They seemed to pop up more when we also started to focus on mental health initiatives.
My take is that first responders have witnessed a lot of self-harm and suicide.
It might seem intimidating for someone who is trans or queer to consider being a cop.
Likewise with any of the uniformed emergency services.
Firefighters sleep overnight at stations and they are divided by gender.
I think the flag is a sign that they are equal-opportunity employers and won't discriminate.


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18 Jul 2022, 11:40 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
You are worried about experiencing theoretical pressure, and yet, you are stating that groups of people will go to Hell.

I didn't say anything about people going to hell, you and Isabella did. I said to people who hate God, heaven would be like hell to them.
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I just find it really puzzling when people feel threatened by acceptance and tolerance while happily casting judgment on others. It does not compute (even though I should be used to it by this point).

It's gone beyond pretending to be okay with it is good enough.

Jesus forbade us to cast judgement on anyone. But people misconstrue simply stating what the Bible says in regard to right and wrong, which is all I have done, as me personally passing judgement, which is a false accusation.


Not every Christian adheres to a literal interpretation. Not every Christian follows every portion of the Bible. Jesus did not outright condemn homosexuality.

You are free to read the Bible the way you want to, but other Christians do not see things the way you do. (Thank God.)


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18 Jul 2022, 11:42 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There really aren’t all that many “pride” flags around.

There’s none in my neighborhood, which is a very multicultural neighborhood. Nobody feels compelled to fly them here.

It's far more prevalent in urban areas where US and state flags are flown. Especially on the west coast.


There are lots of pride flags where I live, but we just had Pride month.
I think every school flies one below the national flag.
Ambulances and fire trucks and emergency vehicles all have them.
They aren't big and you'd barely notice them on vehicles, but they're there.
I don't know of any group complaining about it even if they were forced to comply.

They seemed to pop up more when we also started to focus on mental health initiatives.
My take is that first responders have witnessed a lot of self-harm and suicide.
It might seem intimidating for someone who is trans or queer to consider being a cop.
Likewise with any of the uniformed emergency services.
Firefighters sleep overnight at stations and they are divided by gender.
I think the flag is a sign that they are equal-opportunity employers and won't discriminate.


I think it's because LGBT is becoming a predominant ubiquitous aspect of society.