emo music sucks

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i know this to be true ^.^

So, you've not listened to a word I said then eh? Yeah, you're a virtuoso, good for you. Damn, I can only play synthesizer. Have yourself a slice of metaphorical cake. But remember, there are computer programs out there that know every single scale, chord, tuning, microtuning, and whatever else that makes up the technical side of music out there that even you could name. I could get even the lowly Fuityloops to generate me a sequence of notes in the most exotic scale you like, turn the tempo up, and hey, I probably sound like Rick Bloody Wakeman. Does that give Fruityloops the emotional capacity to compose a piece of music that truly expresses love, joy, sadness or anger?
No, it doesn't. Like I said before, music without a soul is just mathematics. Music that is generally considered 'good', or 'classic' by people, all the way from primitive folk, to classical, to contemporary pop music, has been so because it has transcended the sum of its parts, because it communicates an idea, a message, a feeling, and that is something with which no amount of classical training or innate ability at however many instruments can hope to bestow upon you the ability to do.
So please go back to your 12 instruments and elite band of virtuoso friends. You claim you have the ability to play instruments extremely well, but you fail to see beyond this.
Oh, and hate to break it to you, but you ARE human

i'm barely human....i think the thing i regretted to say that adding emotion/lyrical depth (because people can interpret any bloody lyric as something deep half of the time) is great if you've actually got some interesting music going.......pure emotion or lyrical brilliance over a piece of sh***y simple music is not gonna impress me, nor should it anyone, they're probably too simple to see through the crude scaffolding that is holding the lyrical concept up.x

Well, I would entirely disagree with that, and I'm sure a good few other people would, too, which is what I was saying before - you're basically putting down a whole bunch of people for having a differing opinion from you on something that is entirely subjective.
There is no objective standard over what makes a good piece of music, just as there is not one for art, or any other kind of purely creative endeavour. I'm not disagreeing that you feel that consider to be interesting music is better in your eyes, but I fail to understand how you can justify that such music is truly 'better' as an objective truth, as music itself serves no other purpose than to appeal to a listener's senses.
A truly bad piece of music therefore, would be something that appeals to absolutely nobody at all!
Sure, we all think that most of the contemporary emo discussed here 'sucks' - that's why we're all posting in this thread, but you, I nor anybody else could profess to knowing any better than the Kerrang-reading 15-year-old you talk about

i get what you're trying to say....but the fact that i can break down a piece of music whilst listening to it, then play it back on many instruments, change it around, replicate it, take ideas from it, and use it in my own compositional toolbox for later use, must stand for something...lol x

f**k.

Would you PLEASE shut the f**k up about your giant musical talent?

In case you hadn't noticed, none of us here give two s**ts if you can play 500 instruments at once, with your eyes closed using only a drumstick shoved up your ass.

It just doesn't matter. Music is objective and people are different. And no, your opinion is no more valid than a 15 year old kid who listens to Kerrang! radio. And no, mine is no more valid either.

I know my fair share about music as well, but sometimes I envy the layman who can hear a piece of music and think 'oh yeah, that's quite good' rather than thinking 'nice middle eight, I liked the Em9, added an extra air of melancholy to an otherwise straightforward piece.'

Step into someone else's shoes for once. Stop admitting you're a twat and actually realise it instead, and do something about it instead of wallowing in it and acting like it's somehow okay just because you're aware of it.

This is going to get me banned or at least warned, but I really don't care.

pic or it didn't happen

seriously you've been talking big since your first post and as someone who is still having trouble applying theory to what i listen to i would really like to hear your technical analysis of one of the songs JohnHopkins posted

it wont void anyone's arguments but it would be nice to know exactly what you mean

i dont think any mods are watching this thread, i didn't get called on my last post

I know this guy on another forum, he's decent really. Maybe some people just need to lighten up.

Don't like people classifying the music you like as emo? Piss off and ignore them.

...did you actually read any of my posts?

I'm not arsed to read your utter pap.

How do you know if it's pap if you've not read it, old bean?

Quite apart from which, the combination of you defending wossisname, saying a certain someone should lighten up and your dismissal of my posts here suggests that basically, you just disagree, and therefore are saying my posts are pap.

Pap pap de dap

Well, i posted before on this thread, and i was also surprised that coming here a week later this is still going on.

I agree with both RogueProcess and XanderBeans (refering to the last 2 pages on this thread)

What both of say is not opposed to the other one's ideas, so no point arguing.

True that music, a song, has to have something that elevates it to a standard that is better than any of it's parts, like RogueProcess said.
the same song affects different people on different leves, does not have the same effect obviously, which is what makes the whole concept subjective.

Then again, it is somewhat frustrating that some sounds jumbled together with no deep "knowledge" of music or how it works, is suddently famous cause it sounds good to a whole lot of people (who most of times have about the same literacy in composing as the people palying it)

now for John Hopkins, man, one has to love you, you're the ultimate neutral analist xD, you answer, and you talk about music styles objectively, making sense of it, drawing the line here and there and never with misguided passion (about the posts on this thread as i haven't too many other posts on other threads)

okay as for me, there are only a few bands/songs that i like that don't have lyrics that touch me. otherwise the lyrics mean a lot (i also don't listen to emo as a rule, not that it matters anyways)

just for once can everyone accept eachother and keep it nice and quiet



(the concept stated on the above sentence is utopical and therefore supposedly practically impossible to acomplish, but still, give it a try)

Wow, and here I thought I was writing the most immature s**t in this thread back on the previous page.

You were, I'm only taking the piss. Hard to take an immaturity seriously after all.

Because, obviously, no one mature ever loses their temper.