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i got a warning for supposedly telling a person to open a second account against the rules for having 2 accounts and what the real message was telling the person to close the account they did not want to have since they did not want to use the name and wrongplanet does not give any other way to change the name you display in posts

people need to read that when the message includes the words close the account you do not want then by closing the account the old does not exist and does not break the having 2 accounts rules

I didn't know that we had the option to close our own accounts... I was under the impression only moderators could do that.

I also thought that WrongPlanet didn't have a policy against name changes. The other forum I frequent is pretty rigid when it comes to names... over there, you can only change your name if it's a change from a nickname to your real name. I believe I've seen people on WP say that they had originally signed up under a different name than the one they're using now. Maybe requesting a name change is possible?

i think the person was skipping around in the message and did not actually read that the advice to close the account was actually there

this is not right for being blamed for telling a person to have a second account when that is not what happened and telling them to close one does not make 2 accounts exist

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have never been on any website that did not give the person a way to close a account

even if they have to email the site owner to close their account then doing the things to close that account does not break the 2 accounts rule since even with sending a email telling the site owner to close your account means you do not want that account and it only exists as long as it takes the site owner to do as you ask them to

Dude! Happens to me ALL THE TIME. I'm very outspoken. Just correct the moderator (while being nice) and move on. I've never had a moderator yet who "warned me" be unable to "get it" when I try to explain myself. Never.

As long as you come to this site with a good heart and good intentions, you really don't have anything to fear. There may be misunderstandings and miscommunications, but this is the nature of life itself.

Ain't nobody perfect. Not even them there moderators. Believe it or not

To make this perfectly clear:

Members are permitted one account; additional accounts will be banned. Continuing to make duplicate accounts will result in all accounts being banned.

Closing accounts are not an option; per site policy, accounts are not deleted.

Name changes are not permitted on WrongPlanet unless very specific criteria are met; requests should be submitted directly to a moderator for review.


M.

i think you missed the word ----- close

try reading the whole message and buy a dictionary to learn what the word close means

if account --- closed --- then account does not exist

if account does not exist then you do not have 2 accounts

stop trying to make problems from nothing

also the way they write the thing about name change makes me think it was for keeping this account and only changing the name

stop trying to make problems for people and one more try to make me sound like i am trying to violate terms and i will report you directly to alex

i went back to actually read the terms that is posted as a link on the bottom of a page and it does not actually discuss the issues that these moderators is trying to use to make a violation

wondering how a violation can happen when the terms does not actually discuss the topic

Thansk for hte clarification.

Besides, why is there a second thread for this, rather than replying to the original warning? I was expecting, when I opened this thread, to find the original poster criticize people who read part of a post and then reply (something I'm guilty of someitmes), but instead it was about one very specific issue that is furthermore related to the specificity of the rules.

the origional topic the warning was in was not about the issue of terms and most of the warning was in a private message and a private message is not in any thread so a seperate thread was needed

it is not clarifying any issue when the so called clarify in terms is not even discussed as a topic in the terms as they are actually posted so people can read them

if you want to try to enforce what they are calling terms then they should discuss the topic in the terms people can actually read and not have to find what the terms are by violating things

if a topic is not discussed in the published terms then it is actually not violating any term if you want to go by what will happen if this actually goes to court for a judge to decide what the terms is

the law says if you want to enforce any set of terms it must be published for all to read and what the moderator is trying to have as a term is not published so people can read

go to the bottom of any screen and click the terms link and actually read it

as a post saying it is a term is not considered by law to be a term unless it is included in the terms disclaimer

a post seperate from a terms disclaimer is only by legal definition to be a opinion and not a enforceable term

He did not miss the word "close" (as he used that same word in his reply, I bolded it for you since you seemed not to read his whole message ), and being condescending towards a mod is usually a bad idea. WP does not allow members to close or delete accounts. If you sign up for an account, that account remains forever and you may not (without explicit permission from Alex) open a new account or change the name on your original account.

he actually did miss the word close in how he decided what the advice was

there was things said to me in private message that tells that he did miss the word close

he is assuming i am simply telling the person to have 2 accounts and this thinking does miss the word close since close makes account 2 not exist then you only still have 1

he is also assuming that there is absolutely no way to ever close a account here

yes you might need alex to help you close the account but in any site there is always a way to close your account and does not matter what the opinion of this moderator is

the terms does not actually tell you there is never any way to close your account so there actually is a way to make that happen

jamieg

Hello, I have been following this issue of yours and now I feel I have to speak out
I get the sense that you are very bothered by this private message of a moderator
Somewhere you got the need to "defend yourself" and by this run the issue over again

Have it occured to you that it can be an missunderstanding from Your Side Of View?
I mean unfortunately its a quite common trait for us with AS......
but sometimes we have to accept that we was the ones who was wrong when beeing corrected

Now a moderator came and told you this:

This was a detail that you apparently didnt get in your private PM making you still stuck on the word "close"
But you was told it here in this thread right....

I have been a moderator on another forum. There members created subaccounts and fooled around with their alter ego
but for us moderators there was no policy to prevent them from doing so. I even had two moderator accounts for a period

As a former moderator I also know that messages is not sent out to members if not having strong ground to do so
and moderators know the site and the rules and need to point it out sometimes
I know you just gave a suggestion in the original thread but it isnt simple an option here
I assume the moderator was trying to tell you this in a kind way

It never feels good to run a dead issue over and over and it would just make you good to forget the thing
So, try to chill out, leave this and keep going, okay

Let me try to help you further here because I think you need this. Understand that I am coming from a position where I DON'T CARE if you are guilty or innocent. It's irrelevent to this post.

In life, you are surrounded by werewolves. You have a certain number of "silver bullets" in your gun. When you shoot them off, they are gone. Shooting bullets at important things is wise. Shooting at foolish things is foolish. Discerning the difference between the two is wisdom.

Someone accusing you of violating some minor issue is not worth shooting with these precious "bullets". This applies whether they are correct or not; it's just too minor. Reply back in another PM and be done with it. In contrast, someone accusing you of rape or murder is worth shooting at.

If you don't work to understand this, you will shoot at everything that moves and nobody will take you seriously -- not even when important things happen. For example, now that you have created a topic about a private beef and placed it in a public forum with a topic designed to "sucker people in", I am much more likely to ignore any other posts you make as "another jamieg thread trying to sucker me in".

And have you stopped to define your goal with all this yet? What do you want out of this discussion?

Here is how others are seeing your possible goals:
1. You want the moderator in question to understand that you just made a simple mistake and are happy to follow the rules. If so, what is the purpose of threatening them with Alex and insulting their vocabulary about the word "close"? This is going to make them remember you as "jamieg the troublemaker". This is not your goal.
2. You want someone to "take it back" and "issue a public apology" all over this insignificant issue. What will you expect when someone accuses you of something truly important? Doesn't seem likely to be your goal either.
3. You want to publicly humiliate the moderator for daring to malign your image with such a small bit of tarnish. What will you do when someone really "wrongs" you? It is likely that this is not your goal.
4. You are very young and have been criticized. Unsure or unable to handle this correctly, you are Raging Against The Machine and Sticking It To The Man all at once. <-- Unless there is something I'm missing, YOU ARE HERE.

Is that where you want to be? There is nothing wrong with Raging when you're a Rebel With a Cause. But there is no cause here. Just a small infraction that everyone involved would have dropped and forgotten a long time ago but for this thread keeping it alive.

I hope you find this of use. My goal here is to try to help you.

No he didn't.


The point is that you can't do that. You can not close an account at WP.


There isn't. People have tried. Alex's stance on this has been very clear: accounts do not get deleted or closed. To my knowledge, no account has ever been deleted, not even a spammer. They just get banned, and banned members are not permitted to create new accounts.

people are not actually getting the real issue including the real issue that started this

what the moderator is trying to say is site policy and accusing me of doing is simply wrong

if what they say is site policy then it should be told to people in the actual terms and it simply is not discussed there at all

the real issue is i am being accused of doing a thing that simply did not happen since the intent was not to tell the person to have 2 accounts - the intent and actually readable if people stop reading what they want things to read is close the account - just because a moderator claims there is never a way to close your account does not mean that is right - terms also say a moderator does not act officially for wrongplanet

all of you need to take the time to actually read the posted terms under the terms link and not assume what a moderator says is always a term

it looks like people will find any excuse to defend the position of the person they like better even if that includes repeated stating the issue is simply what it actually is not

i sent a message to alex over this since moderators are claiming things to be terms when they are simply not in the terms at all and if not in the terms at all then by act of contract law what is being claimed is not a term and terms does not say there is absolutely no way to close your account - what is site policy can only mean there is no process to do yourself but alex can help you

by law a site must give you a way to close your account when you decide you no longer want that account

find reality people and not ignore contract law and actual posted terms just to make your favorite person always right

Jamie, we can read just fine. A member closing or deleting their own account is not possible. I don't mean it's against the rules. I mean it can't be done. A moderator can delete or ban an account, but, deleting they have said they don't do. And they have indicated they won't ban the old account but allow a new one. You are advising something that can't be done.