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Trinny
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22 Aug 2009, 3:52 am

I want to find out if I have Asperger’s, but it takes very long with doctors. :( (I have been trying to explain to my doctor to get a referral - for 2 months and I’ll try again next week.

I have found 2 tests.
1. One says I’m very likely to have it and my scores are high. It’s called Aspie Quiz (with lots of questions).

2. The other one says I definitely don’t have it and I hate this test. BaronCohen - AutismSpectrumQuotient (with 50 questions).

(I can’t put here links as I’m a new member)

Which test is more reliable? Myself I believe I have Asperger’s, but as there is nothing wrong with me from outside, I have my doubts. Also I have read that women are often misdiagnosed because their symptoms are different. I’m very confused and I can’t wait to get professionally tested.

Can anyone answer me which test is better, is there any aspies who don’t have Asperger’s according to the second test :?:

I can’t imagine what other syndrome can it be if not Asperger’s if I can’t walk the streets, because people looking at me takes away all my inner peace. Sitting in the London tube is a nightmare as you have to face the strangers. And so on and on…



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22 Aug 2009, 5:11 am

What was your score for the second test (the AQ)? The cut-off is not there to determine whether someone has AS or not; it is just based on the percentage of those diagnosed with AS who score above a certain point. In the literature, they recommend that someone be considered for assessment if they get a score at or above 26. The cut-offs are not absolute, and some diagnosed people score below them.



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22 Aug 2009, 5:45 am

thanks for your answer.
only some score below :!:
But many NT–s score above I guess.

I didn’t remember well so I did the test again, and I scored the highest ever, exactly 26.
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I have done it many times before and scored always somewhere around 20.

It’s a very complicated test for me, I don’t know these things about myself.
For example I want to be and do everything with others but I end up doing everything alone.
All the test asks is what I want to do or what I prefer, it doesn’t ask what I end up doing.

I feel like the questions are not relevant, while aspie quiz has all the right questions.

I’m 32 now, everything was much, much more difficult when I was younger. I don’t have any conversation problems now because I talk to people all the time. So my answers were according to this.



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22 Aug 2009, 7:15 am

If the AQ does not cover enough that is applicable to you, it's probably best to take just the other quiz result to your GP if you want to persuade them to give you a referral. Have you listed the diagnostic criteria and summarised how they apply to you? This makes things easier for the GP.

What kind of questions in the Aspie Quiz do you find particularly relevant to you? Do you also experience intense anxiety (either in general or around specific situations such as social)?



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22 Aug 2009, 7:32 am

The Aspie Quiz is more reliable, since it goes more in depth, but you can't really use any online quiz results as a diagnosis. I scored high on both quizzes, but I still say that "I don't know if I have it or not" since I don't want to actually go see a doctor and get the diagnosis.

If you are trying to convince your doctor, I would suggest taking the Aspie quiz and printing out your answers (before you hit the "calculate" button, so that the doctor can see what you answered for each question) to give to the doctor.



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22 Aug 2009, 12:22 pm

I took both quizzes and presented the results to my treatment team. They saw the quizzes as useful for screening purposes, and agreed my results (wells into the AS range) were consistent with what they saw in me.

I had a few non-Aspies I know take the quiz, and none scored close to the cutoff point. One tried to take the quiz to earn an "Aspie score" and couldn't until she thought of how I'd answer the questions, and then was able to do so.

As said by Rain_Bird and outlier, the quizzes do not cover all AS traits, and may create false positives or false negatives. If you need official confirmation, you'll have to have the full evaluation.



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22 Aug 2009, 3:41 pm

Trinny wrote:
I have found 2 tests.
1. One says I’m very likely to have it and my scores are high. It’s called Aspie Quiz (with lots of questions).

2. The other one says I definitely don’t have it and I hate this test. BaronCohen - AutismSpectrumQuotient (with 50 questions).



I am quite different - my AQ is 38 but according to Aspie Quiz I am on borderline, rather NT than AS. I think that reliability of online test is depending on ability to aswer questions really without prejudice ("I know that I am aspie and that thist test will confirm it"), also it's depending on momental mood especially where answers are slightly/definitelly disagree.


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23 Aug 2009, 7:36 am

thanks for the ideas how to approach my GP, I will be much more prepared for next week’s appointment.
I got some material printed out for Gp, what they mailed me from national autistic society. just to describe what is Asp.

to outlier:
I checked the aspie quiz again, to see what questions are the most relevant for me there. It would be easier to say which ones are not relevant. But relevant are same food, clothes, hair style,... all the time, clumsiness. my voice is soft, writing my lists all the time, i can only do things what I’m interested in, starting very good, never finishing courses, doing things in my own way, being an outsider and so on...
The result on picture is high up in the aspie side, only aspie hunting is lower. (nr4 - same NT hunting, which is high compared to other NT traits).

Anxiety - always with me, worse when I sleep. If I sleep. It’s mostly social anxiety, yes.
And I can’t walk in the streets, because of people, it’s very uncomfortable, and I can’t use London tube, because of strangers sitting, facing me. These 2 (streets and tube) I haven’t got over with years.

When I didn’t know about Asperger’s, (before my sister was told by doctors that her son has it), I thought i have some kind of extreme sensitivity made worse by difficult childhood. (But my sister is sensitive also, she lived in the same family, she is very ok, as her son is not).

to Rain_Bird

i hope the diagnosis will benefit me in many ways at work in university. My university has a strong support for Asp.
It can be tricky at work, as I work in casino, it’s just an awful place to work if you have Asperger traits, but I’m extremely strong as I need that money. I was never bullied before, but in casinos I have worked. My only problem is the casino colleagues or management, they’re just very different. Not customers or smth else.


I’m still afraid that I go and do the tests with professionals and they say no, you don’t have Asp, go and continue living your life like you did, check your hormones. As I need to have psychological support from professionals. I remember thinking when I was child, that if I grow up, I will start seeing a psychologist once a month, just to be happy. I remember that thought now.



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23 Aug 2009, 7:56 am

The best one IMO: AS test

You can do it yourself, even though it says "Does your loved one ... ?"



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23 Aug 2009, 8:03 am

Danielismyname

thanks a lot, it was an interesting test. Something new!

I did it very quickly.

Your Score Is 25 of a possible score of 39

The average score for women in the age range 30-39 is 17.
Other people in your age group scored between -32 and 39.

Aspergers could be an appropriate diagnosis; professional further evaluation is needed.



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23 Aug 2009, 8:23 am

If you intend to seek psychological support, that's another reason to note down to your GP why an assessment for AS is necessary. AS will affect the type of treatment and support required. If there is underlying ASD, this needs to be taken into account when administering treatment for anxiety and other issues. Traditional therapy is often not helpful.



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23 Aug 2009, 9:23 am

I think the Baron-Cohen one is more reliable, but I'm not sure. In the Netherlands it's used as a screening tool, although it cannot be used for diagnostic purposes by itself.



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23 Aug 2009, 4:17 pm

Hi and Welcome to WP.

The RDOS Quiz is much more reliable.

The Baron-Cohen test was published in Wired Magazine and is not a proper test (at least, not the form in the magazine), Baron-Cohen's theories are also a bit more controversial and less accepted amongst the aspergers community.



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23 Aug 2009, 8:34 pm

Uuuhhhh honestly you shouldn't trust online tests at all. They can be taken for fun but never as an actual diagnosis. No doctor or authority is going to take them seriously and so you won't be able to get a disability pension from the government or any other benifits.

I know it takes a long time -it took me 8 years and I have a mom who works for the health unit and so has connection in the system. It's worth it to get a real diagnosis that way nobody can dispute it.



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23 Aug 2009, 9:54 pm

1Oryx2 wrote:
Uuuhhhh honestly you shouldn't trust online tests at all. They can be taken for fun but never as an actual diagnosis. No doctor or authority is going to take them seriously and so you won't be able to get a disability pension from the government or any other benifits.


It's true, No online test will ever substitute for a Doctor's subjective diagnosis - even though often those same doctors use paper versions of the test. :roll:

You won't be diagnosed according to your results but the RDOS test is very accurate and if you're thinking that you just want to know one way or another without paying for an actual diagnosis, then that's the way.



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24 Aug 2009, 4:11 am

gbollard wrote:
The RDOS Quiz is much more reliable.

The Baron-Cohen test was published in Wired Magazine and is not a proper test (at least, not the form in the magazine), Baron-Cohen's theories are also a bit more controversial and less accepted amongst the aspergers community.


The Baron-Cohen (AQ) test is a proper test. It is an official instrument that has been studied and found to have good reliability and discriminant power (you can download these studies at the bottom of this page). The Wired Magazine version reproduces the test accurately based upon the official scoring system (I've checked and so can anyone else).

Baron-Cohen's theories do not change that the AQ is an instrument of good reliability and discriminant power. (Were you saying his theories are a bit more controversial in relation to the neanderthal one of the Aspie Quiz author?)

I've compared both rdos's Aspie Quiz publication and those concerning the AQ. The AQ has higher discriminant power: 80% of those diagnosed score at or above 32, while only 2% of controls do. The Aspie Quiz, averaged over all the versions, isn't nearly as close in discriminant power at its respective cut-off (I'm not sure I would be permitted to quote actual figures on an open forum, but you could request a copy of the paper from the author). The figures might have improved in the final version, though, or the cut-off might have been changed since then. The AQ has also had the benefit of being studied more rigorously and stringently to measure its quality, and not based on internet samples.


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21Oryx2 wrote:
Uuuhhhh honestly you shouldn't trust online tests at all. They can be taken for fun but never as an actual diagnosis. No doctor or authority is going to take them seriously and so you won't be able to get a disability pension from the government or any other benifits.


It's true, No online test will ever substitute for a Doctor's subjective diagnosis - even though often those same doctors use paper versions of the test. :roll:


They use the test in addition to a clinical interview; it's better to use a number of instruments when assessing clients. The AQ was developed largely as a screening questionnaire to assist in making referrals for assessments. They emphasise it is not diagnostic (i.e., cannot be used alone).