Ever joined the Military and succeeded? Failed?

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Ghosthunter
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14 Feb 2006, 9:06 pm

Hi! This is Ghosthunter

It will be 20years ago soon when I tried joining
the Army in my pre-Autism awareness days.

I joined out of stupidity thinking that it can
find me somewhere to belong. My dad
didn't get along with me, my Mom was a
wild creature with minimal maternal instincts,
and it was still karl's house(when my step
grandfather and I weren't getting along).

Along with this, I found difficulty living life as well
in the social and emotional retaining of friends
values.

So I joined the Army! Smart? Duhhhh! Not!


I joined it from Santa Rosa area in California.
I was visiting my dad, then age 42 and a
heavy smoker, and his 2nd wife Vicky(the
one who suggestion he writes us off or
no marriage.

My dad didn't take to well with me and found
me strange. Hmmmm? I wonder why?
I joined the Army from 5/7/86' to 6/12/86'.

the first 3 weeks weren't good for me. i never
got to fire a gun by the forth week, instead put
in the psych ward for a week. All i remember
was in the 3rd week we entered the tear
gas room and when we took off the masks
and whatever pressures of 3 weeks were
unexpressed?????? I said something and
off to the psych ward I went. I did the last
2 weeks in the discharge transition part.

here is the actual release data with some
trivial facts found out almost 20 years later.

release code wrote:
AR 635 200 PARA 11 3A


At 7pm today I dug up some facts on
how to read this.

how to read discharge wrote:
AR=article
#635-200 is the link
PARA=paragraph
#11 is the the paragraph area
#3A is the general specifics of discharge.


So here goes a darker and deliberately unrevealed
fact about my pre-autism(outing) days.........


what I found on line regarding Separation Code wrote:
JGA - Entry level status performance and conduct or entry level status performance - pregnancy

RE-3 - Individuals who are not qualified for continued Army service, but the disqualification is waiverable. Ineligible for enlistment unless a waiver is granted.


here is the AR 635-200 PARA 11 3a Data wrote:
Chapter 11
Entry Level Performance and Conduct
11–1. General
This chapter sets policy and provides guidance for the separation of soldiers because of unsatisfactory performance
and/or conduct while in entry-level status.
11–2. Basis for separation
Separation of a soldier in entry level status may be warranted on the grounds of unsatisfactory performance and/or
unsatisfactory conduct as evidenced by—
a. Inability.
b. Lack of reasonable effort.
c. Failure to adapt to the military environment.
d. Minor disciplinary infractions.




THIS IS THE 3A AREA FOR PARA 11................................

_________________________________________________
11–3. Separation policy
a. This policy applies to soldiers who—
(1) Enlisted in the Regular Army, ARNG, or USAR.
(2) Are in entry-level status, undergoing IET, and, before the date of the initiation of separation action, have
completed no more than 180 days of creditable continuous AD or IADT or no more than 90 days of Phase II under a
split or alternate training option. (See the glossary for precise definition of entry-level status.)
(3) Have demonstrated that they are not qualified for retention. The following conditions are illustrations of conduct
and/or performance that disqualify soldiers for retention:
(a) Cannot or will not adapt socially or emotionally to military life.
(b) Cannot meet the minimum standards prescribed for successful completion of training because of lack of aptitude,
ability, motivation, or self-discipline.
(c) Have demonstrated character and behavior characteristics not compatible with satisfactory continued service.
(4) Have failed to respond to counseling (DA Form 4856–R).
b. Enlisted women who become pregnant while still in entry-level status—
(1) Will be involuntarily separated under this chapter when the training activity commander with separation
authority, in conjunction with the medical officer (obstetrician), determines that they cannot fully participate in the
required training for the MOS concerned because of their physical condition.
(a) The training commander will furnish the training requirements to the obstetrician.
(b) Soldiers separated for pregnancy that occurred after entry on AD or IADT are entitled to maternity care in a
military medical facility only per AR 40–3.
(2) Will be retained when they can fully participate unless they request separation per chapter 8.
c. Nothing in this chapter precludes separation under another provision of this regulation when such separation is
warranted. For example, if homosexual conduct is involved, the case will be processed under chapter 15. However, if
separation of a soldier in entry-level status is warranted by reason of unsatisfactory performance (see chap 13) or
misconduct (minor disciplinary infractions (see para 14–12a), separation processing will be accomplished under this
chapter. As an exception, soldiers with less than 181 days of continuous active service who have completed IET, been
awarded an MOS, and been assigned to a follow-on unit for duty will be processed for discharge under the appropriate
chapter (chap 13 or 14 or another appropriate chapter).
_________________________________________________



11–4. Counseling and rehabilitation requirements
Counseling and rehabilitation requirements are essential when entry-level performance and conduct are the reason for
separation. Military service is a calling different from any civilian occupation, and a soldier should not be separated
when this is the sole reason for separation unless efforts at rehabilitation have failed. Before initiating separation
action, commanders will ensure that the soldier receives adequate counseling and rehabilitation. (See chap 1, section
II.)
11–5. Separation authority
Commanders specified in paragraph 1–19 are authorized to order separation. Separation will be accomplished within 3
duty days following approval by the separation authority.
81 AR 635–200 • 6 June 2005



Hmmmmmmm?

Have any other members on this board tried the military and
were discharged? not discharged? and Why???????????

This is the first time I publised this data, and since I turn 40 this year
I have nothing to lose. So I have done my turn, if you chose to
do so! Thanks for posting your information as well.

I am doing my part in sharing.

Sincerely,
Ghosthunter



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15 Feb 2006, 6:57 am

I joined the Navy as a Hospital Corpsman in January, 1963, and was stationed at Chelsea Naval Hospital here in Massachusetts after training. I lasted until April of 1964, when I got an honorable (Convenience of the Government) discharge for my "aspieness."


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15 Feb 2006, 7:21 am

Honourable discharge from the navy aye? Guess you were certainly nobile seamen huh huh huh



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15 Feb 2006, 9:15 am

Separated out of the Air Force. I went through boot camp and by second week my stomach started acting really funny. My food kept coming up, and there was this intense pain across my stomach. At boot camp, the doctors suck when it comes to the stomach, so it took them a long time to figure out even part of the problem. Since I couldn't complete my training I was put in Med Hold. One dumba** doctor tried to tell me that my stomach pain was psychological. The meds I was on weren't working or only made me worse. I tried not to take them but my TI's got onto me and said that if I didn't take them I would be in trouble for malingering. Luckily, one week at dispensery(this is where we go to the doctors instead of at a hospital unless it's an emergency) there was this competent doctor who took a look at me, and heard something funny in my stomach. Tests said it was a hiatal hernia, and I was given the choice about whether I wanted to stay or be separated. I chose separated because by this time I had stopped eating and drinking, and at boot camp I knew I would only get worse. So I separated. Good thing too, because I was able to go to a great doctor who discovered that not only did I have a hiatal hernia, but I also had a polyp on my gallbladder and a bacterial infection in my stomach. 14 days on antibiotics at home, and a lot of the pain in my stomach disappeared.



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15 Feb 2006, 12:41 pm

It sounds like the typical "not adaptable to military life" clause.

A couple of years ago, I was on the podium trying to teach and I had a student who had a meltdown in my class. He had a lot of difficulties staying on task, and was really dependent on attention, and just couldn't multitask at all. Evidently his parents thought it would be good for him to joing the military (To make a man out of him no doubt) and decided to take their son off of his meds.

I think he was schitzo, don't know what type... sorry don't diagnose folks, I just know he had several meltdowns during my class, and had some psychotic episodes. He didn't act as at all though.

The military isn't for everyone, I think I have only stuck it out so long because I refuse to quit something once I start it. Plus it is a darned good sense of job security.

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15 Feb 2006, 1:24 pm

I joined the Royal Navy in 1987 as a Medical Assistant.

In 1990 I was released following a review by a psychiatrist who said I was 'Temperamentally unsuitable' for life in the Navy (whatever that means!! !)

I was then 23. I didn't question this decision and couldn't argue my case - I didn't know how. There was no knowledge of AS and no chance of help. So that was the end of my short Naval career.



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15 Feb 2006, 3:18 pm

I applied to join the Royal Navy as a medical officer but didn't get in because of my medical history, never mind, I went to uni instead.



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15 Feb 2006, 5:09 pm

Fiz wrote:
I applied to join the Royal Navy as a medical officer but didn't get in because of my medical history, never mind, I went to uni instead.


I tried to Join the RAF but they wouldn't take me because of my asthma.



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15 Feb 2006, 5:14 pm

honoruable discharge was a nice phrase meaning aspies don't belong in the military. :P

honorable and discharge should never go hand to hand. :P



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15 Feb 2006, 6:07 pm

Quote:
honorable and discharge should never go hand to hand


*cough* enough with picking on the honourably discharged seamen please



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15 Feb 2006, 8:44 pm

I did one year of Army ROTC in college (73-74). My student superior officer was an a**h*** and I'm too much of a stubborn individualist. So I decided not to sign on for another year and I never looked back. I only joined to fit in, what a mistake that was.

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16 Feb 2006, 5:58 pm

I was really tempted to join the TA (UK Territorial Army - part timers) back when I shared a house with someone who was really into it.

I think I wanted to do it to get that feeling of belonging, as GH described.

Thankfully, I somehow knew (long before dx) that I would be really unhappy with military life and unable to cope with the life style and pressures.

Now, when I look at what happens to our guys out in Iraq (etc) I'm glad I have a formal dx, because if the day ever came that the draft was re-instituted, I'd be very glad to have a get out clause for that one!

I reckon more than anything, spending so much time with highly trained mindless thugs would result in either me or them getting hurt, badly so. Avoid the military at all costs is what I'd suggest.
OTOH, the discipline (when it suits me!) and routines wouldn't be so bad.


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16 Feb 2006, 6:08 pm

You couldn't pay me $100 billion dollars to join a military service.



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17 Aug 2006, 7:03 pm

Joined the royal navy at 18, left at 23. As much as you guys think seem to think the forces are hell, you'd be shocked by just how suited apies are(providing we get in to do the right jobs of course, we are completely unsuited for the war type jobs)

Routines are nice and regular, lots of stuff happens but it's all planned and cool. You even get something called daily orders in the navy, where everything thats happening that day is listed with times. When you do start getting bored, you find that you get moved to another establishment where it's the same job, just with different surroundings. Gives you something to look forward to constantly, some small changes of enviroment, but not enough that it's hard to fit in.

You get lots of time off, like 50 days a year which quite often ends up added together. In 2000, just after my ship got back from sierra leone, I got 3.5 weeks off, came back for 2 weeks and then had another 5 weeks off.

Routines at sea are very relaxed, you don't work that much. You find that you have lots of time to retreat into your own world of books or whatever you're interested in.

Moneys good in general, getting living and food costs paid for means every penny you earn is disposable income. You retire at about 40 ish with a full pension, lump sum, and whatever you've bought/saved over the years.

I know that the common image of regular soldiers is one of lot's of clone morons, but It wasn't like that on a ship at all. Every ship has such a mix of people, people from literally every corner of the globe. I've served on board with people from as far away as new zealand, africa, canada, northen ireland, scots, welsh, people from every corner of the uk. Where soldiers are grouped by local regiment, the navy is a good mix.

I found that having a large group of associates at hand fit in really well with my aspie nature. When I couldn't be bothered, I could just retreat into my own world and no one bothered me, but when I felt like being sociable there were always people around, there were always so many small groups of people doing different things that it was easy to get involved if u felt like it. That combined with the fact that you live with these other people in such close confines, people actually get to know you in a way that no other lifestyle can match, except maybe university life.

I think that the major problems that aspies have is joining up and not doing a job where they can show thier unique qualities. Once you do get a job that you can do that though, you're suddenly going to be living in an enviroment where competence at your job is probably one of the most admired qualities that you can possibly have. An Aspies dream if you can make the adjustments and realise the benefits.



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17 Aug 2006, 7:27 pm

i couldn't get into the military, i wanted to. but i guess you have to pass a test to get into it today. wich i didn't.



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17 Aug 2006, 8:17 pm

I am in the Air Force presently ... and I was notified last week that due to my DX of Asperger's I will have to go before a Medical Review Board ... It will take about 6 months and will most likely end in a medical (honerable) discharge. I am a Senior Airman (E-4) and would be getting My Staff Sergeant stripe in 2 months were it not for this ... but that's ok ... the military realy isn't the place for me ... only took 3 years to figure it out thought ... (got my DX only 3 months ago)

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