My Psychologist, the Asperger Expert.

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15 Feb 2006, 2:23 pm

I talked to my counsellor about Asperger Syndrome. He referred me to a psychologist to consider diagnosis. When I saw her the other day she was telling me how she knows quite a lot about AS. She said, a lot of people with AS like to call themselves "aspics," and people who don't have AS, "neuronorms."

I don't think I can really trust her to decide on an accurate diagnosis if that's her level of expertise.

Aspic, honestly.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry!

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15 Feb 2006, 2:25 pm

A persons level of expertize can't be decided by her knowledge of terms like 'aspie' and 'neurotypical'. Maybe lots of people she has spoken to use those words, what do you know?

My point is, judging her by that seems a bit strange. Give her a chance.

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15 Feb 2006, 3:20 pm

The aspic doesn't gel.

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15 Feb 2006, 4:50 pm

I'm sorry to agree and hopefully your fears will come to nill, but the fact that she doesn't know "Aspie" or even "NT" probably means she hasn't talked to a great deal of Aspies personally.

Just be prepared, in case she refuses your diagnosis, to seek another diagnosis elsewhere. Hope for the best; be prepared for the worst.

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15 Feb 2006, 4:54 pm

tell her it's pronounced aspie not aspic. I've never heard of such a name.

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15 Feb 2006, 5:25 pm

Here's what wikipedia thinks of Aspic:

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Aspic is a dish in which ingredients are set into a gelatine, jelly-like substance made from a meat stock or consommé.

When cooled, stock congeals because of the natural gelatin found in the meat. The stock can be clarified with egg whites, and then filled and flavored just before the aspic sets. Almost any type of food can be set into aspics. Most common are meat pieces, fruits, or vegetables. Aspics are usually served on cold plates so that the gel will not melt before being eaten. A meat jelly that includes cream is called a chaud-froid.

Nearly any type of meat can be used to make the gelatin: beef, veal, chicken, or even fish. The aspic may need additional gelatin in order to set properly. Veal stock provides a great deal of gelatin, the meat that makes the stock is often cooked with veal for that reason. Fish consommés usually have too little natural gelatine, so the fish stock may be double-cooked or supplemented. Since fish gelatin melts at a lower temperature than gelatins of other meats, fish aspic will be more delicate and will melt more readily in the mouth.

Historically meat jellies were made before fruit and vegetable jellies. By the Middle Ages at the latest, cooks had discovered that a thickened meat broth could be made into a jelly and could coat cooked meat to keep it from spoiling by sealing it from the air. A detailed recipe for aspic is found in Le Viandier, written in around 1375.

Was it definately 'Aspic' she said,and not 'Aspie' misheard?
Either that [or she mispronounced] or....the pysch is comparing us with a meat jelly.

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15 Feb 2006, 5:49 pm

Rule of thumb. Always take the opinion of the majority of psychologists and psychiatrists with a pinch of salt. It always comes down to ego's

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15 Feb 2006, 5:55 pm

aspic. hahaha that's funny

personally, i'd switch. either that or she could know a ton otherwise and you'd never really know it

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15 Feb 2006, 5:59 pm

It's possible she's just studied Asperger's in a theoretical, clinical sort of way; she's read a lot about it, possibly taken classes on it or written papers; so the theory she knows is couched in professional jargon rather than the casual, slang sort of way we talk about it. Quite possibly she has encountered only children with Asperger's, or adults who have never been part of an Aspie community like this one and have had no experience with such terms. Or perhaps the origin of the mistake was one Aspie who did use those terms when talking to her?

I would not take her misuse of "Aspic" and "neuronorm" as diagnostic of a misunderstanding of Asperger's in general. Perhaps she is trying to communicate with you by using what she thinks are "your terms" for Asperger's. The psychologists I have talked to (re. depression) often attempt to use "popular language" for things they're talking about, even though I know the clinical words for them. Really, I wish they'd just say "hypersomnia" rather than "when you sleep too much", or use "neurotransmitter" instead of "the chemicals in your brain". I'm not an idiot!

Ahem. I'm off topic. Continue with your regularly scheduled discussion.

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18 Feb 2006, 11:55 am

Callista wrote:

The psychologists I have talked to (re. depression) often attempt to use "popular language" for things they're talking about, even though I know the clinical words for them. Really, I wish they'd just say "hypersomnia" rather than "when you sleep too much", or use "neurotransmitter" instead of "the chemicals in your brain". I'm not an idiot!

You should start off with a lovely long pedantic lecture in psychology, hehe. That usually quells those comments for me and they start using the psych jargon and not the "dumbed-down" lingo.

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18 Feb 2006, 6:01 pm

My doctor reffered me directly to an Aspergers proff for diagnosis, but before that I went to a psychologist who asked me if i can detect sarcasm (I can, actually), so she decided I didn't have it!!

I have all the other traits.

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08 May 2012, 4:25 am

I am a (female) psychologist and an Aspie (in Brazil). I could say that unfortunately such professional doesn´t know Aspergers at all. She barely heard something somewhere.
I would look for another professional, and, when finding the next one, I´d first ask if he or she really knows about Aspergers. Hugs

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08 May 2012, 4:39 am

Callista wrote:

On the off-topic, my therapist said she loved how I knew all the words. I remember using one word that was one of her favorites, but I can't remember which one it is.

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08 May 2012, 9:09 am

Verdandi wrote:

Callista wrote:

On the off-topic, my therapist said she loved how I knew all the words. I remember using one word that was one of her favorites, but I can't remember which one it is.

My Occupational Therapist has saying that sort of thing too. She's quite excited she can use her normal language with a patient. She was very excited when I used the word vestibular.

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08 May 2012, 9:15 am

Callista wrote:

Yeah that's my take on it too. It looks like she has a very blurry picture of the culture, but, the fact she even has a picture at all says something. This would not be an area of great relevance in a clinical or diagnostic setting, more of just a curiousity, and little focus would be invested in it. It's possible she read the correct terms at one point and, since then, recalled them incorrectly. Or whoever she got the information from may have done the same thing.

In any case I would not assume that unfamiliarity with the culture has anything at all to do with whether she understands the syndrome medically, or not.

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