Individuals wishing to be afflicted with Asperger's Syndrome

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01 Dec 2009, 3:22 am

Certain people, who observers refer to as 'wannabes', seem to manipulate all objective information to coincide with the diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome. It is certainly foolish of this individual to engage in a behaviour which diminishes their impartiality, but I think it is through a psychological desire for simplicity in their understanding of themselves. The categorization of a disorder enables (through simple thinking, of course) immediate insight via introspection from studies of the disorder and the prospect of relating to other people with the disorder.

Additionally, I have noticed that various individuals desperately attempt to improve the perception or thoughts relating to Aspeger's with erroneous reasoning. Is this an inadequate attempt to improve a sequence of characteristic which have been attached to their identity? For example, if an individual is deemed as Y and Y is viewed very negatively, they might attempt to change Y positively when everyone is viewing them through Y.

Does anyone have any hypothesis or interpretations of these two behaviours which I have observed? I might be wrong - but please be objective instead of merely denying my opinion as accurate without any reasoning or evidence.



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01 Dec 2009, 3:38 am

If you provided an actual example of these observations of yours, then one might provide an answer. In your first, you seem suggest that individual 'choose' a diagnosis on the spectrum as a means to self-understanding, although you seem to imply that it is a cop-out or invalid state. In the second, the argument appears to be that because one's sees themselves in a different light than others, or attempts to see their condition positively, that their issue is actually a feeling of inadequacy instead of a legitimate attempt to re-examine their state. Is this the case? If so, your first argument is interesting, but does not correlate with what I have observed in various individuals. The diagnosis does bring understanding to many; frustration to others. You appear to presume that this is a positive experience for all involved. The second, there isn't much I can agree with - perspective is subjective, and what is a curse to one is a boon to another. What is advantageous to me might well be detrimental to another, so comparative analysis in this situation is relatively moot. Care to elaborate further?


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01 Dec 2009, 3:43 am

*Yawn* duplicate troll topic....


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01 Dec 2009, 3:49 am

interesting issue and a great 1st responce.

I have observed in the 12 step culture many many individuals who ache to be an alcholic say or a sex and love addict, but really they are not at all, but crave and ache for a beloning.

I am interested in what underpinns your starting this thread. Could you go deeper?


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01 Dec 2009, 3:51 am

makuranososhi wrote:
If you provided an actual example of these observations of yours, then one might provide an answer. In your first, you seem suggest that individual 'choose' a diagnosis on the spectrum as a means to self-understanding, although you seem to imply that it is a cop-out or invalid state. In the second, the argument appears to be that because one's sees themselves in a different light than others, or attempts to see their condition positively, that their issue is actually a feeling of inadequacy instead of a legitimate attempt to re-examine their state. Is this the case? If so, your first argument is interesting, but does not correlate with what I have observed in various individuals. The diagnosis does bring understanding to many; frustration to others. You appear to presume that this is a positive experience for all involved. The second, there isn't much I can agree with - perspective is subjective, and what is a curse to one is a boon to another. What is advantageous to me might well be detrimental to another, so comparative analysis in this situation is relatively moot. Care to elaborate further?


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There will be negative cases, of course, but I'm concentrating on those who are possibly diagnosed with these speculated motives. This is a hypothesis which I hope to possibly be clarified or corroborated with others' observations or opinions.

The first and second paragraph contained two different hypothesis to be considered separately for contradictions to be avoided. However, it is possible that they both exist in different people - but not both in one, thus enabling both to exist without a contradiction. It's not a generalized if hypothetically one population when separated have an estimated: 15% for #1 and 30% with #2. 65% remains for alternate hypothesis to be applied.

Essentially, I am inquiring - whilst appealing to people's subjective judgments - if:

1 - Has anyone observed a high number of people claiming to be AS when it seems unlikely?

2 - Is it common for people to devise positive correlations with AS that have not been confirmed through the appropriate procedures of the sciences? I'm aware their personal studies may be correct, but science has incorporated processes to increase objectivity in approaches with the standards procedures.

3 - Does anyone have theories for people adamantly thinking themselves to be Aspeger's when they may lack the sufficient ability to formulate an accurate assessment of themselves?

I'm requesting people to express their opinions on these speculations as it seems probable their experiences and observations are far more substantial to disprove/prove my speculations.



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01 Dec 2009, 3:53 am

zen_mistress wrote:
*Yawn* duplicate troll topic....

Please do not destroy any potential this topic has with such an allegation. It is untrue and offensive to me.



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01 Dec 2009, 3:57 am

For the life of me I couldn't understand why anyone would wish to be an aspie, its hard enough trying to live with this
condition, I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy, although I wouldn't mind letting my older sister have it for a day.



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01 Dec 2009, 4:00 am

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For the life of me I couldn't understand why anyone would wish to be an aspie, its hard enough trying to live with this
condition, I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy, although I wouldn't mind letting my older sister have it for a day.

It could be a rationalization for their behaviours and a valid reason to indulge in them. People like meaning and reason.



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01 Dec 2009, 4:12 am

Ya buts whats the point, it just seems like to much work, and some traits are just to
hard to fake, how could they keep up the illusion in everyday for the rest of their life.



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01 Dec 2009, 4:15 am

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Ya buts whats the point, it just seems like to much work, and some traits are just to
hard to fake, how could they keep up the illusion in everyday for the rest of their life.

Socially awkward + lack of empathy = does not instantly equate to AS. There are numerous other explanations that are comparable in terms of validity.



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01 Dec 2009, 4:21 am

Propositional_Logic wrote:
Friskeygirl wrote:
For the life of me I couldn't understand why anyone would wish to be an aspie, its hard enough trying to live with this
condition, I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy, although I wouldn't mind letting my older sister have it for a day.

It could be a rationalization for their behaviours and a valid reason to indulge in them. People like meaning and reason.


A rationalization undoubtedly also true of some people who are officially diagnosed. An official diagnosis apparently means one can indulge any level of malingering and laziness without fear of criticism -- only the un-assessed are looking for excuses, seems to be the unspoken assumption, here.



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01 Dec 2009, 4:23 am

Propositional_Logic wrote:
Friskeygirl wrote:
Ya buts whats the point, it just seems like to much work, and some traits are just to
hard to fake, how could they keep up the illusion in everyday for the rest of their life.

Socially awkward + lack of empathy = does not instantly equate to AS. There are numerous other explanations that are comparable in terms of validity.


Having Asperger's does not mean lack of empathy, any more the lacking emapathy means having aspergers


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01 Dec 2009, 4:24 am

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Ya buts whats the point, it just seems like to much work, and some traits are just to
hard to fake, how could they keep up the illusion in everyday for the rest of their life.

I use a cocktail of two parts Polyjuice Potion to one part Polymorphine, but I'm starting to run out of places to inject.


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01 Dec 2009, 4:27 am

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
Propositional_Logic wrote:
Friskeygirl wrote:
For the life of me I couldn't understand why anyone would wish to be an aspie, its hard enough trying to live with this
condition, I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy, although I wouldn't mind letting my older sister have it for a day.

It could be a rationalization for their behaviours and a valid reason to indulge in them. People like meaning and reason.


A rationalization undoubtedly also true of some people who are officially diagnosed. An official diagnosis apparently means one can indulge any level of malingering and laziness without fear of criticism -- only the un-assessed are looking for excuses, seems to be the unspoken assumption, here.

I'm aware that it could apply for both with different interpretations - but my comments are generalized to avoid the tedious task of detailing each possibility. I had confidence that people here could intuitively understand the other elements with relative ease and focus on the overall concept which I elaborated upon.

Yes, A exists, but I know B also exists. Please understand that A can easily be applied to B when thinking, "Oh, I take this understading, diagnosis or non-diagnosis, and use it to justify myself with further behaviour". I thought I had provided the appropriate context for this to be presumed, but it seems I did not, thus I apologise.



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01 Dec 2009, 4:28 am

Eggman wrote:
Propositional_Logic wrote:
Friskeygirl wrote:
Ya buts whats the point, it just seems like to much work, and some traits are just to
hard to fake, how could they keep up the illusion in everyday for the rest of their life.

Socially awkward + lack of empathy = does not instantly equate to AS. There are numerous other explanations that are comparable in terms of validity.


Having Asperger's does not mean lack of empathy, any more the lacking emapathy means having aspergers

Of course.



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01 Dec 2009, 4:29 am

Just FYI and all, if someone wants my affliction, I'm selling it on eBay.

It comes with a free disability pension. You don't have to work for life!

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