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01 Dec 2009, 1:03 pm

Many of you know my story...
About a year ago, I took some online tests and discovered Asperger's Syndrome, and promptly felt that it explained my entire life.

Now, after a year of soul-searching and self-analyzation, I am becoming increasingly confident that I don't really have AS after all... that a peculiar set of circumstances from my childhood has resulted in all the appearances of AS, without much in the way of neurological substance. It seems to me that my condition is more likely the result of a tangled network of introverted personality traits, defense mechanisms instilled in me by my parents and others, and a lately-diagnosed Anxiety disorder. The way I see it, all this stuff adds up to a picture that really looks like AS, but is actually just a mess of neurotic junk that puts a wall between my actual self, and the self that I show to the world.

I'm curious to know what you think about this possibility... that one could be raised to demonstrate traits that mirror Asperger's Syndrome enough to be utterly convincing?


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01 Dec 2009, 3:12 pm

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I am becoming increasingly confident that a peculiar set of circumstances from my childhood has resulted in all the appearances of AS, without much in the way of neurological substance.

What makes you think that there is little or no "neurological substance" to it?

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01 Dec 2009, 3:19 pm

I always start from the proposition, "you know yourself better than anyone else does."

That being said, causation is a tricky thing to isolate. Did these circumstances in your childhood give rise to your Aspie traits, or did these circumstances simply serve to enhance traits that were already hard-wired?

The acid-test for me, the one that persuades me that I really am an Aspie, no matter how much I pass as an NT, is the degree to which I see my learned skills and coping mechanisms fall away when I am under stress, when I am tired or when I am in some other way unable to rely on them.

What lies beneath those layers that I have put on my personality is the essence of who I am. For me, that is a person living with AS. For you, it is not for me to speculate.


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01 Dec 2009, 3:39 pm

Acacia wrote:
Many of you know my story...
About a year ago, I took some online tests and discovered Asperger's Syndrome, and promptly felt that it explained my entire life.

Now, after a year of soul-searching and self-analyzation, I am becoming increasingly confident that I don't really have AS after all... that a peculiar set of circumstances from my childhood has resulted in all the appearances of AS, without much in the way of neurological substance. It seems to me that my condition is more likely the result of a tangled network of introverted personality traits, defense mechanisms instilled in me by my parents and others, and a lately-diagnosed Anxiety disorder. The way I see it, all this stuff adds up to a picture that really looks like AS, but is actually just a mess of neurotic junk that puts a wall between my actual self, and the self that I show to the world.

I'm curious to know what you think about this possibility... that one could be raised to demonstrate traits that mirror Asperger's Syndrome enough to be utterly convincing?



Why do you think you don't have it? Did your family have it or do you think situations in your childhood caused the traits?



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01 Dec 2009, 3:40 pm

Think about what you were like when you were 2 or 3.. if you can remember back that far. Or ask one of your parents what they remember. If you have AS you would likely have been showing traits in early childhood.


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01 Dec 2009, 4:24 pm

Acacia wrote:
I'm curious to know what you think about this possibility... that one could be raised to demonstrate traits that mirror Asperger's Syndrome enough to be utterly convincing?


I have twins one with AS one without, the one without has a lot of of the characteristics of her brother and demonstrates signs of AS all the time, but nevertheless its been ruled out. My NT daughter actually at times, in her mannerisms, seems more likely the one with AS.



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01 Dec 2009, 4:32 pm

I don't see how you can be raised to have difficulties with social interaction. If you are naturally wired to grasp nonverbal cues, then you would be able to develop this skill naturally. Same with sensory issues - even if you were raised in a way that made you shy and withdrawn, you wouldn't have any sensory problems.


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01 Dec 2009, 5:15 pm

Are you saying that your parents were Aspies?
I suppose it could be, but it doesn't seem likely.

I've heard of blind parents who leave the lights off and do other things that (unintentionally) discourage the child from using his eyes, and the child ends up with a functional visual impairment, when there's actually no physical cause. I don't remember where I heard that.

Aspergers can easily run in the family. If a dominating parent wants a certain tone in the house, that's the tone you get. I think that I'm an Aspie both by temperment and training.

Then again, I would think you would outgrow it after living away from them for a while.



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01 Dec 2009, 5:16 pm

visagrunt wrote:
The acid-test for me, the one that persuades me that I really am an Aspie, no matter how much I pass as an NT, is the degree to which I see my learned skills and coping mechanisms fall away when I am under stress, when I am tired or when I am in some other way unable to rely on them.


i definitely identify with this, thank you visagrunt :thumleft:


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01 Dec 2009, 5:18 pm

MathGirl wrote:
I don't see how you can be raised to have difficulties with social interaction. If you are naturally wired to grasp nonverbal cues, then you would be able to develop this skill naturally.


It is possibel to have difficulties with social interaction even if you grap nonverbal cues.



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01 Dec 2009, 6:49 pm

TPE2 wrote:
MathGirl wrote:
I don't see how you can be raised to have difficulties with social interaction. If you are naturally wired to grasp nonverbal cues, then you would be able to develop this skill naturally.

It is possibel to have difficulties with social interaction even if you grap nonverbal cues.
Yes. So what I mean there is difficulties with social interaction caused by either a difficulty in grasping nonverbal cues, taking things literally, processing the tone of voice, etc. Things that we struggle with because we have to logically process them, and because identifying these things involves multitasking which people with AS can do very poorly.
So, I'm not talking about problems with social interaction caused by introversion and whatnot. Gah, it's so difficult to explain myself properly in just a few words. :x


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01 Dec 2009, 7:34 pm

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I have twins one with AS one without, the one without has a lot of of the characteristics of her brother and demonstrates signs of AS all the time, but nevertheless its been ruled out. My NT daughter actually at times, in her mannerisms, seems more likely the one with AS.


Just out of curiosity, do you know what the differentiating factors between your kids are? I would be quite interested to know. I do think it's entirely possible for children raised together to emulate each others behavior, and I could see how an NT child might mimick an AS child in the way they would any other children they interact with. I find it very interesting.

In response to the OP, do I think it's possible for circumstances to occur under which a person with perfectly normal neurology (or, as normal as neurology ever gets) would behave in a manner that fits many symptoms of AS? Absolutely. I don't know that I would call it being raised that way because I doubt any of it was intentional, but childhood experiences can really lead to any number of outcomes, some of which can seem like traits that are inborn in others. Unfortunately, I think it is generally quite hard to distinguish between the two, even for trained professionals.



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01 Dec 2009, 8:02 pm

Acacia wrote:
Many of you know my story...
About a year ago, I took some online tests and discovered Asperger's Syndrome, and promptly felt that it explained my entire life.

Now, after a year of soul-searching and self-analyzation, I am becoming increasingly confident that I don't really have AS after all... that a peculiar set of circumstances from my childhood has resulted in all the appearances of AS, without much in the way of neurological substance. It seems to me that my condition is more likely the result of a tangled network of introverted personality traits, defense mechanisms instilled in me by my parents and others, and a lately-diagnosed Anxiety disorder. The way I see it, all this stuff adds up to a picture that really looks like AS, but is actually just a mess of neurotic junk that puts a wall between my actual self, and the self that I show to the world.

I'm curious to know what you think about this possibility... that one could be raised to demonstrate traits that mirror Asperger's Syndrome enough to be utterly convincing?


It is possible that this may turn out true if you are self-diagnosed. Problematic introversion can be caused by a variety of issues.


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01 Dec 2009, 9:07 pm

Acacia wrote:
Many of you know my story...
About a year ago, I took some online tests and discovered Asperger's Syndrome, and promptly felt that it explained my entire life.

Now, after a year of soul-searching and self-analyzation, I am becoming increasingly confident that I don't really have AS after all... that a peculiar set of circumstances from my childhood has resulted in all the appearances of AS, without much in the way of neurological substance. It seems to me that my condition is more likely the result of a tangled network of introverted personality traits, defense mechanisms instilled in me by my parents and others, and a lately-diagnosed Anxiety disorder. The way I see it, all this stuff adds up to a picture that really looks like AS, but is actually just a mess of neurotic junk that puts a wall between my actual self, and the self that I show to the world.

I'm curious to know what you think about this possibility... that one could be raised to demonstrate traits that mirror Asperger's Syndrome enough to be utterly convincing?


In your case you very well may be just a NT with "Autistic-like" traits, however your observations are probably only valid for you, and very few others. If you're questioning the validity of Aspergers you probably don't have it.



01 Dec 2009, 9:18 pm

I had two brothers and they didn't mimic me. They turned out just fine. My youngest brother however had a few traits. Picky eating, dislike being touched, wanting things done a certain way, sensitive smell, and difficulty with transition to change.


I was never a picky eater or sensitive to smell. But he outgrew the "start over start over" phase when things weren't given to him in a certain order. He also quit being a picky eater thanks to our mother.



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02 Dec 2009, 1:34 am

Fantastic responses. Thank you everyone.

As far as I can tell, the real heart of my condition comes down to four things: anxiety, an introverted personality, socially-repulsive defense mechanisms, and passive-aggressiveness. Put these four together, and you have something that looks like AS, but is not caused by malfunctions of the brain. It is caused by a lifetime of wrong things piling up on the mind.

I'm realizing today how I was taught by my parents to keep a distance from people, and to think in a way that sabotages any human relationships. I was given no guidance as to proper communication or the expression of emotion. Indeed, I was taught to repress emotion at all cost, to the point of not even recognizing it when it arose.

There is a litany of other examples, but the point is this: I believe I have thought myself into believing that I had Asperger's Syndrome, when all along I was just really really really deluded, and profoundly unaware of myself.

I suppose I agree with this:

Polarisx7 wrote:
In your case you very well may be just a NT with "Autistic-like" traits, however your observations are probably only valid for you, and very few others. If you're questioning the validity of Aspergers you probably don't have it.


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