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17 Dec 2009, 11:14 am

I've never really followed any other sports before, but for some reason Mixed Martial Arts has quickly become an obsession of mine. It's far more relatable for me than other sports, especially coming from a karate background. I really appreciate its technical aspects as well. Anyone else watch MMA at all, or even just UFC?



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17 Dec 2009, 11:48 am

I get really restless and bored when I'm watching t.v. but UFC is one sport that I like. I don't devote a whole lot of time to it but, I like it. I'm a woman, so I've been told that I'm odd for liking it, but I don't think so. First of all, those guys are hot, and second of all women should learn how to fight so we can protect ourselves. :P



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18 Dec 2009, 8:08 am

Women liking it seems pretty common to me, but I live in Oklahoma, and it's really big here.



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18 Dec 2009, 8:19 am

Yeah, I'm in Texas.



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18 Dec 2009, 8:35 am

only sport I have any interest in. have a sherdog tab open right now in firefox. I guess you can say it is one of my narrow interests. ;)

the UFC monthly ppv are considered a utility bill in my house. lucky for me my wife likes it too.



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19 Dec 2009, 2:19 pm

yay team!



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20 Dec 2009, 11:00 am

I love MMA, I watch UFC when I can, it's a great sport.



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27 Dec 2009, 10:53 am

That is the only sport I can watch. Partly because I also train mma.



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27 Dec 2009, 11:49 am

This is one obsession of mine too, the second one is foreign movies, but MMA is at the top.
I use to download every UFC, WEC, Strikeforce that takes place. I watch MMA since Pride age.

The weird thing is that it's difficult to find someone to talk about it at the same level of me, and I realized how boring may be listen to me about this subject if I don't take care.

In my last job, one guy got me the nickname "MMA" :?



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04 Jan 2010, 1:07 am

I personally dislike it. I know it's a sport. I know there are rules in place. But really, "Martial Arts" is a system (regardless of origin) meant to kill. I find it even a tad insulting that it's shown like this.

I am no great Martial Artist, but I do practice. In the art I do, I watch MMA/UFC and get annoyed because of all the things they could do. They promote as real and such but it's really really restricted. You cannot use any nerve strikes, you cannot hit to certain areas, you cannot dislocate or permanently disable limbs, and you cannot use techniques that cause internal organ/tissue damage.

OBVIOUSLY I get why. It's a sport, it's for show. But I also see all these UFC'ers (although some are the real deal) claiming how tough they are and they are superior to other arts blah blah. Most of the mid/high ranks at my current Dojo (NOT the black belts) would decimate a UFC fighter.

Also I note that if you train to fight with those rules, such as never hitting the head etc, then in a real fight you are at a disadvantage. Your mind just won't think the same way someone whos training in an art meant for real defense/combat is. Krav Maga/Toshin-Do for example are the real deal.

Again, I get it, it's a sport.



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04 Jan 2010, 10:28 am

I liked the episode of the Simpsons where Marge was a MMA fighter.


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04 Jan 2010, 11:24 am

I agree that MMA competitions are limited. MMA isn't a sport though and not all of them are doing the sport, most people in MMA have come from multiple backgrounds. Krav Maga is MMA.

You say you are not a good yet. I'm sort of intermediate; it pays not to underestimate anybody. Just because my teachers are better than me doesn't mean I don't lay a finger on them or outdo them sometimes. I also help out with beginners. They are great to train with due to their unpredictability.

Disciplines are important. Boxing is a discipline, it is not a complete system at all but focuses on basic things like movement. Yes it is true that boxers can get away with forward leaning and poor structure, but what they get out of it you convert into a more efficient and rounded style.

Just some people don’t understand the role of Chi Sao “sticky hands” in Wing Chun. It teaches countless disciplines, and crucially help you transition from set routines to more realistic reactions. Fighting is just reactions, styles are just tools. People assume the Chi Sao just includes the stereotypical rolling facing each other when in reality you can think of it as anything from that to full on combat.

As Bruce Lee said there is a difference between doing forms and having form, but that doesn’t mean you don’t practice disciplines..



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04 Jan 2010, 11:40 am

I have seen it on Spike TV occasionally, and it looks like fun.


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04 Jan 2010, 7:04 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
I agree that MMA competitions are limited. MMA isn't a sport though and not all of them are doing the sport, most people in MMA have come from multiple backgrounds. Krav Maga is MMA.

You say you are not a good yet. I'm sort of intermediate; it pays not to underestimate anybody. Just because my teachers are better than me doesn't mean I don't lay a finger on them or outdo them sometimes. I also help out with beginners. They are great to train with due to their unpredictability.

Disciplines are important. Boxing is a discipline, it is not a complete system at all but focuses on basic things like movement. Yes it is true that boxers can get away with forward leaning and poor structure, but what they get out of it you convert into a more efficient and rounded style.

Just some people don’t understand the role of Chi Sao “sticky hands” in Wing Chun. It teaches countless disciplines, and crucially help you transition from set routines to more realistic reactions. Fighting is just reactions, styles are just tools. People assume the Chi Sao just includes the stereotypical rolling facing each other when in reality you can think of it as anything from that to full on combat.

As Bruce Lee said there is a difference between doing forms and having form, but that doesn’t mean you don’t practice disciplines..


Different Styles are new sets of tools. Techniques are individual tools from that style. There is no one best "move" (unless you can pull off Dim Mak on demand. Not much beats that one). I say I am not good because I am not. Not compared to anyone I respect in the field. I can fight ok, I can do some nasty stuff to limbs and bones. I can throw people ok (situation dependent), but I am not good. Just a beginner. I was objecting to MMA in the sense of the sport as was noted by the OP.

Every art has at least one thing to teach (often much more). Every person you practice with can teach you something, either about them or yourself. Every time you mess up a throw/takedown/etc, the best way to look at it is "what did I do wrong, how can I fix it", and not get down.



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05 Jan 2010, 7:10 am

Every martial artist should know that pretty much every move has a counter, even ones that might seem infeasible. There is a big difference between drills and no holds bared fighting. Move in isolation a quite useless, you can't rely on set routines in a fight. That is why in Wing Chun the goal is to achieve Fan Sao.

I was exactly like you when I was a beginner. I thought my teachers were indestructible. You won't have the slightest clue for a long time, just how good they are.

My teachers say they learn from the students all the time. Part of what make you better is the ability to question and analyse, not blindly follow. As one of my teachers put it quite aptly "Even Mike Tyson had a coach, it doesn't mean they would go 12 rounds with him". In other words teacher are there to help you get the best out of yourself, not just to impress you. Of course there are people better than my teachers, their master for one.

I get what you are saying about the limitations, however there are always going to be limitation, you just have to deal with it. You might be injured for instance. Ideally you want to get a skirmish over fast and decisively, but what if things don't pan out like that, do you have the stamina to continue?



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05 Jan 2010, 5:39 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Every martial artist should know that pretty much every move has a counter, even ones that might seem infeasible. There is a big difference between drills and no holds bared fighting. Move in isolation a quite useless, you can't rely on set routines in a fight. That is why in Wing Chun the goal is to achieve Fan Sao.

I was exactly like you when I was a beginner. I thought my teachers were indestructible. You won't have the slightest clue for a long time, just how good they are.

My teachers say they learn from the students all the time. Part of what make you better is the ability to question and analyse, not blindly follow. As one of my teachers put it quite aptly "Even Mike Tyson had a coach, it doesn't mean they would go 12 rounds with him". In other words teacher are there to help you get the best out of yourself, not just to impress you. Of course there are people better than my teachers, their master for one.

I get what you are saying about the limitations, however there are always going to be limitation, you just have to deal with it. You might be injured for instance. Ideally you want to get a skirmish over fast and decisively, but what if things don't pan out like that, do you have the stamina to continue?


Is this targeted at me? If so:

I understand fully every move has a counter. Some as you say are a little harder to do. I also think I know how good a few of my teachers have been (or not been) much better then you think. There is always somebody better.

Also I say I am a beginner for modesty. I have been doing Martial Arts on and off for about 3+ years now, and at various points when I was younger. I use beginner because I am not at a level were I see myself as anything other. However I can handle myself fine vs somebody untrained, and anyone on my level would be fair.

It also seems to me that you are hailing Wing Chun as the end all be all.