Family shut out of their 'dream home' by Romanian squatters

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13 Jan 2010, 2:35 pm

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With the building works nearly over, Julian and Samantha Mosedale and their three children were looking forward to moving back into the home of their dreams.

But their hopes have turned into a nightmare because a group of Romanians occupied the property over Christmas.

To add insult to injury, police told them that they were being 'racist' for questioning the squatters' right to live in Britain on benefits.


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13 Jan 2010, 2:38 pm

I'd just move in anway and be totally rude and
ignore the squatters presense and act like
I owned the place.


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13 Jan 2010, 2:43 pm

LittleTigger wrote:
I'd just move in anway and be totally rude and
ignore the squatters presense and act like
I owned the place.


That would be a good idea if the squatters hadn't changed the locks.


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13 Jan 2010, 3:12 pm

One-Winged-Angel wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242682/Family-shut-dream-home-gang-gipsies-moved-Christmas.html

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With the building works nearly over, Julian and Samantha Mosedale and their three children were looking forward to moving back into the home of their dreams.

But their hopes have turned into a nightmare because a group of Romanians occupied the property over Christmas.

To add insult to injury, police told them that they were being 'racist' for questioning the squatters' right to live in Britain on benefits.


I think you mean Romany, sometimes called "true Gypsies" to distinguish them from (for example) the Travelers in Ireland (as nomadic as Gypsies, but not like these descendants of natives from India at all). Suffice it to say that Romany and Romanians are completely separate groups.

There is an actual nation called Romania in south-eastern Europe on the coast of the Black Sea; Nadia Comaneci (the gymnast) and Vlad the Impaler (the historical Dracula) came from there, and the Ceaucsecu family (former Communist rulers of Romania) were chased out of Bucharest to be captured and executed.



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13 Jan 2010, 3:25 pm

One word solution: guns.


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13 Jan 2010, 3:30 pm

Answer me this, did law enforcement, enforce your property rights?

Anything other than a yes or no answer will be taken as evasion and not facing the reality of the question.



You're on your own mate, your wonderful government just plain don't give a damn.


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13 Jan 2010, 3:52 pm

I'd just break in and start moving in.

One-Winged-Angel wrote:
LittleTigger wrote:
I'd just move in anway and be totally rude and
ignore the squatters presense and act like
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That would be a good idea if the squatters hadn't changed the locks.


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13 Jan 2010, 4:15 pm

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I'd just break in and start moving in.

Try it and see if you don't wind up in jail for breaking and entering.

Property rights? :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P


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13 Jan 2010, 4:55 pm

If that were me, I'd smash a window, climb in and forcebally evict the b****rds. Yeah I'd be done for breaking and entering but I bet the whole British public would stand behind the family. It's their house, not those losers'. They need to actually get jobs and find their own house. I'm sick of foreigners taking over this country. What about the people who have lived here for years!?

I am about 1/5 Hungarian but when my Grandmother came here she actually got a job and worked hard for this country. Makes me sick. I can't even get benifits.


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13 Jan 2010, 5:16 pm

southwestforests wrote:
One word solution: guns.


Just keep in mind that the squatters (and/or their friends) might guns you right back...not as simple as a solution as it may sound. Neither is breaking in to "forcibly evict" them, Jellybean.

Indignation and machismo aside, in any situation that you decide to resolve with force, you need to be aware of and willing to accept the consequences of that force. Say you go in with a gun and the squatter family decides to resist you. Are you really willing to shoot someone? Are you willing to have that person die on the floor of the house you intend to move back into? Is your family willing to have that happen? What will your friends, neighbors, and co-workers think if you do this? Are you willing to die for that house? If you do die there, will your family still want to live there? I could go on here without even getting into potential legal consequences... force and violence are unpredictable tools, and should only be wielded carefully and judiciously, and as a last resort.

One thing I noticed reading the article is that the family that moved in seems to be under the impression that they've paid someone for the house. Now, this could certainly be an attempt at obfuscation to stall their eventual eviction, but it also might mean that someone sold them a house that wasn't theirs to sell. If it's the latter, it may add a new wrinkle to the case, though it wouldn't change the outcome, which looks like it will be the real owners getting to move back in (the timeline is uncertain, though).


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13 Jan 2010, 6:01 pm

Oh so they never Paid for the house,
that is another story all together.

If they did not pay for this 'dream house'
then they have no right to it.


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13 Jan 2010, 6:48 pm

LittleTigger wrote:
Oh so they never Paid for the house,
that is another story all together.

If they did not pay for this 'dream house'
then they have no right to it.


I was referring to the squatters. They told police and the media that they had legally paid someone to live there (they may have indeed paid someone who ran off with the money after 'selling' a house that belonged to someone else, leaving them to deal with the real owners). The family that's complaining about having their dream home ruined by those squatters seem to be the indisputable registered (and paid for) real owners.


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13 Jan 2010, 7:13 pm

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Answer me this, did law enforcement, enforce your property rights?

Anything other than a yes or no answer will be taken as evasion and not facing the reality of the question.


Of course not, because it is not the function of law enforcement officers to enter into civil disputes. Law enforcement officers exist for the administration of public law--primarily criminal law.

Civil remedies are matters for the courts, and for the officers of those courts. The squatters have been served with a notice to vacate, once they are in violation of that order, then they will be in contempt and can be brought forward on a bench warrant, and forcibly evicted by bailiffs.

No need for self-help remedies.


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13 Jan 2010, 10:34 pm

southwestforests wrote:
One word solution: guns.


Guns are pretty hard to acquire where they are. At least legally.


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14 Jan 2010, 10:53 pm

If I were them, I would try to cancel all of the services (electric, gas, TV, water, garbage etc.) to the house so that the squatters would be almost forced to move out. I wonder if the squatters were able to pay for those services on their own if it wasn't their house to begin with, or if they had any at all? If they would be able to do that it may be the best and most "peaceful" way to fight back. Anyways, I hope they do get their house back, and that it's not trashed or anything. I would be really mad if I payed for a house and someone else was living in it, and I couldn't even get into my own house that I payed for with my own money.


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15 Jan 2010, 6:02 am

Here is a sneaky way.

Befirend the squatters with a sob story
so much so that you move in,
and just take over the place, don't pay for food,
let them do it.

Let the squatters go earn the dough whilst
you live off of them.

If all else fails, quit paying utility like someone
else poster stated.


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