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bully_on_speed
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10 Mar 2010, 7:35 pm

whats the story with these people speaking in gibbrish. im atheist so i see this as crazy. any christians out there that can shed some light on this. is there something too this or you talking nonsense cause everyone around you is?



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10 Mar 2010, 8:40 pm

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10 Mar 2010, 8:43 pm

Its supposed to mean speaking to people in their own languages,
sometimes even simultaneously. The bible says it is not good to speak
in languages when nobody can understand them (its obviously
useless) except for praying in your own language. If someone
speaks in another language it should be to someone who understands
or interprets it to another language.

IMO the babbling churches are just silly.
Why even go to a catholic "Latin mass" if you don't (or nobody does) understand it?
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I don't mean to judge.
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10 Mar 2010, 8:46 pm

catholics are a whole mess all there own. and latin was a real language. im talking about the new age evangelical christians, the ones that get slapped on stage and are healed. their services have people speaking in nonsensical gibberish and claim its god speaking thru them.



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10 Mar 2010, 8:48 pm

It's all just part of the act.



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10 Mar 2010, 9:39 pm

bully_on_speed wrote:
catholics are a whole mess all there own. and latin was a real language. im talking about the new age evangelical christians, the ones that get slapped on stage and are healed. their services have people speaking in nonsensical gibberish and claim its god speaking thru them.


I know someone who goes to a tongue-babbling church and he was so
sure about Todd Bentley the BAM BAM healer that he flew with his sister
to get bammed. Before that I said that guy thinks hes god and the bible
says nothing about saying BAM to make a miracle. But I agreed god could
do anything any way. He went to Todd Bentley and his sister felt healed
after getting bammed for about a day. He said she probably didn't have
enough faith or she sinned. I said the lepers Jesus healed, especially the
ones that ran away like Ya-HOO without even thanking Jesus, didn't
catch leprosy again and come back the next day, so Todd Bentley is
bogus. Soon after that, TB got caught having an affair and his 24/7
religious channel dropped him like a heavy poopie. I said to him I told ya so.



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11 Mar 2010, 2:31 am

Glossolalia is usually seen by evangelic protestants as a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Hence why it is "encouraged". Apart from that, i doubt there is much use to it.



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11 Mar 2010, 5:43 am

its simple really, speaking in tongues requires a higher level of delusion. :wink:


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12 Mar 2010, 1:10 pm

speaking in tongues really does require a higher level of delusion.

i lived in north carolina, when i was younger, for a few years. my family went to a "nondenominational" church. this is supposed to mean that any christians are welcome, though it was really just for baptists and the sermons almost always had some offhand jab at methodists. at one of the "revivals" they would host, from time to time, i decided i wanted to get involved too. they'd have people come up onto the stage and they would try to get them to speak in tongues.

as i remember it, it was pretty much the pastor, the guest pastor, their wives, and a few other prominent members of the church yelling at me and the other people on stage and "laying on hands" (or "slapping the faithful," as i like to call it.) in a very encouraging way. i felt the rush and the high of the holy spirit but my prayers were still coming out in english.

these revivals, and any discussion of speaking in tongues, always started with pastors and church elders telling stories about other times they or their friends had "spoken in tongues." the story would always be a variation of "person A's brother had cancer and the doctors said they wouldn't make it. person A came to church and begged for god's help. person A started praying loudly and it sounded like gibberish but a man in the back of the church stood up and said 'he's speaking korean!' or another language. person A's brother is told his cancer is in remission after visiting the doctor the next day."

replace "cancer" with some other malady and "korean" with some other, locally obscure, language and you've got your speaking in tongues story.

i was very frustrated that my prayers were still only coming out in english, as the people in these stories were obviously doing way better. was i doing something wrong? i listened to the pastors, for guidance. they said to "just let go!" "just let it out!" and i heard the other people on stage with me change from english to strange languages. i could really feel the rush now. i was breathing incredibly hard and i could hear my heart pounding in my skull. i started crying and then it happened. i spoke in tongues.

except really i was just babbling gibberish. after about the 40th time i repeated the same nonsensical syllables, i realized it. all the grownups seemed to think i was magically speaking some other language. i wasn't. "ahh munnnn ahhhh thuhh thuhh, ahh munnnn ahhh thuhh" was what i kept saying. i've felt that magical spiritual feeling since then. it's called euphoria and there are plenty of ways to get it. when that was over and we all went back to our seats, i was very glad that i hadn't thrown up. my dad asked me what i was saying, when i was up there, and i said "i'm gonna throw up." he took me to the bathroom, so i could, and then got frustrated when i told him i didn't have to throw up any more. i didn't realize he didn't know what i meant. i'm pretty sure he thought i hadn't answered his question. i had. i had gotten woozey from all the prayer yelling and emotion and commotion and felt like i was going to hurl. i didn't want to throw up on the guest pastor's wife (she was right in front of me slapper her hand against my chest) so i tried to warn her and move her out of the way. i was so flustered and stressed out i could barely talk.


i had a panic attack in front of everyone i knew and they just cheered me on.


story filed under: things you shouldn't put an 8 year old through.



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13 Mar 2010, 9:39 am

Ordinarily there would be a stooge in the midst of the audience who would pretend to be able to translate what the tongue-babbler was saying.

All part of the act.



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13 Mar 2010, 10:42 am

Religion is fascinating.



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13 Mar 2010, 8:05 pm

means: "speaking a foreign language"
there are wierdos who have taken that too far



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14 Mar 2010, 11:12 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc[/youtube]



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14 Mar 2010, 1:55 pm

Well, at least they aren't asking for gifts right? :)



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14 Mar 2010, 6:51 pm

I'm an atheist, and what I've read says that it's a kind of delusional trance. It's been established that the babbling in the trance state strictly follows the pronunciation constrains of the speakers native language.


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14 Mar 2010, 8:04 pm

Odin wrote:
I'm an atheist, and what I've read says that it's a kind of delusional trance. It's been established that the babbling in the trance state strictly follows the pronunciation constrains of the speakers native language.


The brain states and the gibberish output may be an unconscious output mirroring the ostensibly comprehensive doctrines that are basic to all people believing in the supernatural but, upon close examination in relationship to the useful orientation of factual matters it turns out to be gibberish as well.