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30 Apr 2010, 12:02 pm

An oil rig drilling off the Louisiana Coast exploded just over a week ago, and now they're saying that they believe oil has already hit Louisiana shores.

Louisiana's fishing industry depends a lot on shrimp and oysters, and the sea-life off Louisiana's coast will soon be worthless. They're already pushing for some lawsuits against the companies responsible for the spill. The U.S. has also reinstated a ban on new oil drilling, until they figure out what caused the BP explosion.

Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill


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30 Apr 2010, 1:23 pm

Something seems suspicious about this but I'll keep my thoughts to myself.

Hopefully they can clean this up quickly. Exxon Valdez and Hurricane Katrina should have had them prepared for a disaster like this.



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30 Apr 2010, 2:43 pm

Some people told me that they could smell the oil when they walked outside their house last night. we're just coming off katrina and now this. gesum.


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30 Apr 2010, 3:45 pm

Atleast they've put a hold on any further offshore exploration.



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01 May 2010, 5:05 am

over 200,000 gallons a day- pretty soon that will add up to some real money. all that wasted oil. all that mess. why, god, why?



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01 May 2010, 9:11 am

Her Majesties Revenge, for the Battle of New Orleans, the Crown will prevail!

They are LOOTERS! a bunch of redneck hillbillies in the mountains of Louisiana and Mississippi, and Florida! We saw them in Deliverance!

This will take care of all those objections to The Devine Rights of The Crown, England Rules the Waves! and all under it!

Ending those objections, seafood, wildlife, the Mississippi Flyway, near naked teens on Spring Break, Drunken Fornicaters!

Once the oil covers all beaches, marshes, there will be no choice but to burn off the entire Gulf.

Problem two is this is going to be a big Hurricane season, they all push a storm surge, and will push the oil inland. A Cat 3 coming on a course up the mouth of the river will push 20 foot, New Orleans has 17 foot levees, that failed at 10 foot in Katrina, and were all built by the same people. The Short Sheet Piling Company, and Friends of Government. All records of levee building have been sealed by Federal Court Order, and document shreading has been continous.

Twenty foot of flood, twenty foot waves, and hundred mile an hour winds above that, and now topped with flaming oil! Oil will concentrate along the highwater mark, That is about fifty miles north of New Orleans.

Latest reports say that it is not 1,000 barrels a day, or 5,000, but 50,000, and each is 42 gallons. The most optimisitic view is that might be stopped in a month. If it was not hurricane season in the Gulf.

Only a small part of oil is the gummy tar that coats beaches, most will evaporate, as it is Benezene, gasoline, and many lighter hydrocarbons, that cloud can now be smelled in New Orleans, and we know from refineries, if you can smell it, it can blow up.

The rig that went down in mile deep water had 700,000 gallons of diesel on board.

The entire Federal Government has been moblized to blame it on someone else.

British Petrolum has been put on notice that the bribes paid are not enough, and it is time for a new round of funding your friends in Washington.

How did it happen? The Government workers are like the same who signed off on the New Orleans levees, saying they had inspected all phases of construction, and missed that the 40 foot sheet pilings called for were only 20 foot long. A simple mistake, for who can tell the differance? I thought someone else was checking that, and it was that way when I got here. They are not available for comment, for they retired to their Chateau in southern France.

Minerals Management was recently busted for taking sexual favors and drugs for helping their friends in energy. Many will be granted British Citizenship over this.

The Wall Street Journal reports that the system used would not be approved in Norway, or Brazil, where, "doing a favor for a friend," is not allowed in offshore drilling.

A blow out preventer is a simple device, a hydraulic clamp that crushes the pipe, sealing it. Compared to the $500,000,000 rig it protected, it cost near nothing, but they still went with the cheap one.

The most critical part, not only the cheap one, but no backup plan for failure. Nothing could go wrong with a small machine on the ocean floor, a mile down?

A mile down is 2800 psi, and near zero degrees. A few years ago drilling in 1200 foot was a record, it should work at 5,000 foot.

Plan "B", lower a dome over the leak, with a mile of hose to the surface, and have a big bucket.

This has never been done, and staying on station durning a hurricane is doubtful.

Drilling another well, one that hits the pipe of the first, so cement can be pumped in to seal it, is also Science Fiction. A mile down, from a quarter mile away, we will hit a one foot target.

A barrel of oil in the well is a barrel at the surface, above the oil is natural gas, and a volume of gas in the ground is at 10,000 psi, and will expand a thousand times when it reaches the surface. Oil has to push three and a half miles of oil up the pipe, back pressure, gas weighs a little more than air.

The cloud will blow north till it reaches the right gas air mixture, then a single spark, the explosion should be contained by the area that voted Republican in the last election.

For those of us who think the flooding of New Orleans was intentional, the big Democrat vote block that kept White Christians from doing God's Work in Louisiana, 200,000 still scattered, the Party of Duke in power, this is just politics as usual in a State with a Governor, his son, three Insurance Comissioners, and the Congressman, all in Federal Prison, and a Senator twice busted for getting some in mob owned whore houses.

This one is all Fed, offshore, so it seems Chicago put a hit on the Republican homeland, and the Queen took the job, and was going to make it look like an accident. She got a pat on the back for that one.

The Gulf should burn out in a few years, and the price of oil will hit new highs. 9/11 brought it up from $13 to $150, something must be done about sagging prices.

It is quite a play, an attack on the Eco-terrorists, and those who would put their religion above the Crown.

FOR THE MONEY!



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01 May 2010, 6:56 pm

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Her Majesties Revenge, for the Battle of New Orleans, the Crown will prevail!

They are LOOTERS! a bunch of redneck hillbillies in the mountains of Louisiana and Mississippi, and Florida! We saw them in Deliverance!

This will take care of all those objections to The Devine Rights of The Crown, England Rules the Waves! and all under it!

Ending those objections, seafood, wildlife, the Mississippi Flyway, near naked teens on Spring Break, Drunken Fornicaters!

Once the oil covers all beaches, marshes, there will be no choice but to burn off the entire Gulf.

Problem two is this is going to be a big Hurricane season, they all push a storm surge, and will push the oil inland. A Cat 3 coming on a course up the mouth of the river will push 20 foot, New Orleans has 17 foot levees, that failed at 10 foot in Katrina, and were all built by the same people. The Short Sheet Piling Company, and Friends of Government. All records of levee building have been sealed by Federal Court Order, and document shreading has been continous.

Twenty foot of flood, twenty foot waves, and hundred mile an hour winds above that, and now topped with flaming oil! Oil will concentrate along the highwater mark, That is about fifty miles north of New Orleans.

Latest reports say that it is not 1,000 barrels a day, or 5,000, but 50,000, and each is 42 gallons. The most optimisitic view is that might be stopped in a month. If it was not hurricane season in the Gulf.

Only a small part of oil is the gummy tar that coats beaches, most will evaporate, as it is Benezene, gasoline, and many lighter hydrocarbons, that cloud can now be smelled in New Orleans, and we know from refineries, if you can smell it, it can blow up.

The rig that went down in mile deep water had 700,000 gallons of diesel on board.

The entire Federal Government has been moblized to blame it on someone else.

British Petrolum has been put on notice that the bribes paid are not enough, and it is time for a new round of funding your friends in Washington.

How did it happen? The Government workers are like the same who signed off on the New Orleans levees, saying they had inspected all phases of construction, and missed that the 40 foot sheet pilings called for were only 20 foot long. A simple mistake, for who can tell the differance? I thought someone else was checking that, and it was that way when I got here. They are not available for comment, for they retired to their Chateau in southern France.

Minerals Management was recently busted for taking sexual favors and drugs for helping their friends in energy. Many will be granted British Citizenship over this.

The Wall Street Journal reports that the system used would not be approved in Norway, or Brazil, where, "doing a favor for a friend," is not allowed in offshore drilling.

A blow out preventer is a simple device, a hydraulic clamp that crushes the pipe, sealing it. Compared to the $500,000,000 rig it protected, it cost near nothing, but they still went with the cheap one.

The most critical part, not only the cheap one, but no backup plan for failure. Nothing could go wrong with a small machine on the ocean floor, a mile down?

A mile down is 2800 psi, and near zero degrees. A few years ago drilling in 1200 foot was a record, it should work at 5,000 foot.

Plan "B", lower a dome over the leak, with a mile of hose to the surface, and have a big bucket.

This has never been done, and staying on station durning a hurricane is doubtful.

Drilling another well, one that hits the pipe of the first, so cement can be pumped in to seal it, is also Science Fiction. A mile down, from a quarter mile away, we will hit a one foot target.

A barrel of oil in the well is a barrel at the surface, above the oil is natural gas, and a volume of gas in the ground is at 10,000 psi, and will expand a thousand times when it reaches the surface. Oil has to push three and a half miles of oil up the pipe, back pressure, gas weighs a little more than air.

The cloud will blow north till it reaches the right gas air mixture, then a single spark, the explosion should be contained by the area that voted Republican in the last election.

For those of us who think the flooding of New Orleans was intentional, the big Democrat vote block that kept White Christians from doing God's Work in Louisiana, 200,000 still scattered, the Party of Duke in power, this is just politics as usual in a State with a Governor, his son, three Insurance Comissioners, and the Congressman, all in Federal Prison, and a Senator twice busted for getting some in mob owned whore houses.

This one is all Fed, offshore, so it seems Chicago put a hit on the Republican homeland, and the Queen took the job, and was going to make it look like an accident. She got a pat on the back for that one.

The Gulf should burn out in a few years, and the price of oil will hit new highs. 9/11 brought it up from $13 to $150, something must be done about sagging prices.

It is quite a play, an attack on the Eco-terrorists, and those who would put their religion above the Crown.

FOR THE MONEY!


Bold assertions for which you have not presented an iota of evidence.

Show some evidence (from a credible source) to back up what you say.



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02 May 2010, 12:34 pm

Inventor wrote:
A blow out preventer is a simple device, a hydraulic clamp that crushes the pipe, sealing it. Compared to the $500,000,000 rig it protected, it cost near nothing, but they still went with the cheap one...The most critical part, not only the cheap one, but no backup plan for failure.


These are really important points. Big rigs have blowout preventers, and the driller can deploy a blowout preventer on a moment's notice if he thinks he's losing control of the hole. So why wasn't the blowout preventer deployed in this case? This suggests human error/poor judgment/lack of experience could be the root cause of this disaster, which at this point seems like it may eclipse the damage done in Alaska by the Valdez. The second point is also troubling, why wasn't there a contingency plan/backup plan in place in case something like this happens? From a risk management/risk control standpoint, this seems likes a major oversight.



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03 May 2010, 9:34 am

BP has $13.4 B in cash and short term investments. (end of 2009)

They will have no problem paying for the clean up.

none at all.......... :D


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03 May 2010, 9:38 am

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BP has $13.4 B in cash and short term investments. (end of 2009)

They will have no problem paying for the clean up.

none at all.......... :D


Ultimately it will be the poor schmuck filling his gas tank, who will pay the freight.

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03 May 2010, 11:03 am

A disgrace topic

Totally preventable disaster. :evil:


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05 May 2010, 2:39 am

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BP has $13.4 B in cash and short term investments. (end of 2009)

They will have no problem paying for the clean up.

none at all.......... :D


I don't think they have enough. Gulf seafood is $3.5 billion a year, and the White Shrimp season has been closed. Tens of thousands of people own boats, it is a small owner industry, few boats are worth $500,000, most a lot less, the payments still come.

The beach from Mississippi to Florida is another big industry, tourism, and I doubt anyone will take the children out to play in the oil and dead sea life. This was just south of the Mississippi River mouth, a current, and the path of the Gulf Stream, Key West and the east coast of Florida will get oil.

Besides the cleanup costs, the local economy stands to lose $5 billion a year, for some time.

Not all oil floats, and BP has been injecting chemicals at the well head to make the oil sink, spread over the bottom, which is where the shrimp live. They spend the day burrowed in sand, and come to the surface at night to feed. Their homes, breeding grounds, and food will be damaged.

The way we shrimp, the net bounces along the bottom, a chain across the mouth drags the bottom, the shrimp pop up, and get caught in the net. All of this oil will sink, and will be stirred up by shrimp trawls for decades. Oil takes a long time to break down.

The shrimp are the base of the life chain that feeds the fish, tuna, whales, and most seafood eaters in the US.

So why was a British company, BP, hiring a Swiss company, Transocean, to drill off our coast?

We do have American oil companies, in Texas, so why is Louisiana oil being sold?

This was tens of millions of barrels, in our country. It was in the middle of our fisheries, and this is the result of some, Our Friends in Washington, deal.

We are the world's largst investors, the best oil drillers, and this deal stinks like dead fish.



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05 May 2010, 3:19 am

British Petroleum (BP) bought Amoco (American Oil Company) back in 1999.
The largest plant in Texas, formerly Amoco @ Texas City is BP now.
(BTW, this plant has a horrible track record for hazardous safety violations, including deaths (Pollution as well)
As for why the Swedish team, they won the bid, due to an excellent track record in Deep Water.
The same rig and crew, prior to this Job, successfully drilled in 8000 ft. deep water, this was only 5000 ft. Most the Texas boys are only accustomed to depths of around 2000 ft. of water max.
Fact of the matter is, it's the nature of the business period. Some Blow, most don't, but when it happens in an environment such as this one, it get's noticed much more.
The offshore blow-outs so far ever, actually solved as to Why - is Zero.
Reason is because the scene cannot be duplicated on purpose, hence accident, yes their are safety precautions galore, but we have no idea what causes some to have these results and others not to. There are thousands of possible theories, but until one is caught on tape in full detail from all angles somehow and survives the explosion, we will not fully understand - only speculate.
Perhaps one day hundreds of monitoring cameras will be required to upload live footage 24/7 like is required for most onshore wells and in the all of the plants.
As of yet, offshore companies have the right to proprietary equipment and practices.
Their money and (rights) is bigger and more important than some little bird or fish. :?



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05 May 2010, 3:40 am

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So why was a British company, BP, hiring a Swiss company, Transocean, to drill off our coast?


"It's the (global) economy, stupid." :? Where global crap outsells local crap, you get global crap, and tough luck. Wanna swap BP for McDonald's? I'm game.


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06 May 2010, 12:17 pm

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...this is the result of some, Our Friends in Washington, deal...


Totally agree. Check it out:

"Feds Let BP Avoid Filing Blowout Plan For Gulf Rig" http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =126542712



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06 May 2010, 1:53 pm

I want some "Upgraded Ethics Training." If that is what you get for having sex with and taking drugs with the people you are regulating. Nine people involved, Party Time! And no one got fired?

The company that provided the sex and drugs was not even mentioned?

Your tax dollars at work, and business as usual for government employees.

Upgradesd Ethics Training is about how not to get caught. Congress are experts.

Now I can see Lobbyist providing sex, drugs, vacations, deals on mortgages, cash, that is their job.

But this was direct from an Energy Company to Government Employees.

When the New Orleans levees were built, no one noticed that the 40' sheet pilings were 20' long, and it was signed off by the contracter, engineers, inspectors, the State Levee Board, and the Corp of Engineers.

When another levee was built, miles long to 17', it was also inspected, signed off by all. Then a guy with a pole came along, and sighted from sea level to the top of the levee, 13'.

They were angry at the guy with the pole. This is by my house, they were Mafia angry. They had been paid, so had to go back and do the job for free.

What they did was form a new contract, to dredge the 17th Street Canal, the one with the 20' sheet pilings, which was eight foot deep, and emptied into a 6' lake, to 18' deep, for miles, good clay, down to a layer of peat, for which they got paid, and paid to dispose of the spoils, which went on top of the 13 foot levee. This underwater canal was supposed to improve drainage.

This is the reason that when the sea rose 10' during Katrina, the levee built to withstand 17' failed, and flooded the city.

When this got to Federal Court, all records were sealed for fifty years.

Now it comes out that BP ran their operation like they were partying with Minerals Management.

The Forest Service has sold old growth forests, built the logging roads, and lost money.

Government Employees are giving away the natural resources of the nation to their friends.

Time to nationalize oil, we can hire Transocean, buy the good blowout preventer, and direct that tens of millions of barrels of oil toward the national debt.

I would think this would violate and void their lease.