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16 May 2010, 12:29 am

I bought a copy of Final Fantasy VIII (8) from eBay sometime last year, and I never really got into it, but only a few weeks ago I read someone's comment in a Video Game thread in the forums, and he said: "[Squall Leonhart] is the biggest Aspie of all". I'd never really thought of Squall in that way; only that he wasn't too fond of interacting with other people and that he was always confused about why other people said or did certain things.
So soon after this, I resume playing the game for the first time in many months, and I started to see a real connection between Squall Leonhart and Aspergers Syndrome! He struggles to understand the rest of the party most of the time, he is seen questioning to himself why other people make certain choices or why things are the way they are, and when he was commissioned by Headmaster Cid to take command of the entire assassination mission, he was overwhelmed by the sudden responsibilities thrust upon him, and does this not sound like us Aspies in general?
We can all feel a strong sense of empathy for Squall because we have similar difficulties in all of our lives, and in turn we can enjoy the game so much more because we can relate to him.

Comments? Opinions? Share your love for Squall right here!


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16 May 2010, 1:09 am

Well... I suppose from a certain view Squall might appear aspie.
I personally think he's just the stuck up loner/idiot stereotype.
He's still got one of the best quotes around though; "I dreamt I was a moron." :lol:


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16 May 2010, 2:31 am

You guys feel empathy for Squall? Hmm, that very interesting to hear [so to speak] because I'm so cold and can't feel nothing except for a few emotions. For the whole love Squall thing my opinion is that I don't like him or any other hero in the Final Fantasy series or any hero for that matter. I prefer characters like Sephiroth who don't have weaknesses like romance (it really is becoming annoying, I mean there are so few pieces of movie magic [or game magic in this case] where they lack the heavy burden of boring me with love :roll: if you could actually call it that) or lack of ambition [not to mention he is cold like me] [I didn't even feel anything when Sephy murdered Aerith] But the good guys always have to win. :roll:

Because if the protagonists lost now where would the satisfaction come from if your heroes were defeated and there was no happy ending. :roll:

P.S. Quite a bit off topic, sort of; Hmm...I think the credit for Aeriths death actually goes to Mother in the guise of Sephy. People never really give her any credit for various things like being partially the reason why Sephiroth goes on a rampage or what not.



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16 May 2010, 3:03 am

Zara wrote:
Well... I suppose from a certain view Squall might appear aspie.
I personally think he's just the stuck up loner/idiot stereotype.
He's still got one of the best quotes around though; "I dreamt I was a moron." :lol:


You're right on all counts there! I suppose he could just be an NT, all the same, but when you see all the things he says, does and thinks in his mind, it's hard not to think to yourself: "I feel like that too sometimes".
Hahaha! I don't know if that bit's passed yet but if it hasn't I can't wait for it to come! It'll be so sudden and hilarious... I remember laughing when Zell said about the Mayor of Fisherman's Horizon: "It kills me to have to help that old fart!"

Zell's awesome too. :)


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16 May 2010, 3:09 am

Emo_Warlock wrote:
You guys feel empathy for Squall? Hmm, that very interesting to hear [so to speak] because I'm so cold and can't feel nothing except for a few emotions. For the whole love Squall thing my opinion is that I don't like him or any other hero in the Final Fantasy series or any hero for that matter. I prefer characters like Sephiroth who don't have weaknesses like romance (it really is becoming annoying, I mean there are so few pieces of movie magic [or game magic in this case] where they lack the heavy burden of boring me with love :roll: if you could actually call it that) or lack of ambition [not to mention he is cold like me] [I didn't even feel anything when Sephy murdered Aerith] But the good guys always have to win. :roll:

Because if the protagonists lost now where would the satisfaction come from if your heroes were defeated and there was no happy ending. :roll:

P.S. Quite a bit off topic, sort of; Hmm...I think the credit for Aeriths death actually goes to Mother in the guise of Sephy. People never really give her any credit for various things like being partially the reason why Sephiroth goes on a rampage or what not.


What an interesting lad! I trust that you will leave quite an impression on other people. ;)
So do you just side with the baddies in every game? How does it make you feel when you beat Cloud of Darkness, Zeromus, Sephiroth, Edea, Kuja, etc., and win the game? (Sorry for all the examples... I just LOVE Final Fantasy!)


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16 May 2010, 10:39 am

I can remember loving FFVIII and relating strongly to Squall when I was about 16. My impressionable teenage mind saw how a person might be able to be quiet and withdrawn, but also have a great deal of strength and command respect from others, and I admired him a lot for that.

I don't think he's supposed to have Aspergers at all, though. His personality is an archetype that appears a lot in Japanese games, anime, etc, and with all his "Whatever"s I think he's just meant to be someone angsty Japanese teens can relate to. It was refreshing to play the role of a character like that back then, though, and none of the FF heroes since then have been as interesting to me. It was interesting to read a character's private thoughts more often than his speech, while he shut out everyone around him.

Looking at the latest Final Fantasy game now, I think it puts into perspective how different Japanese stories and characters are to western ones. I look at the characters and just see a bunch of fashion models trying to be as cool and melodramatic as possible. Hearing similar impressions from people I know, it seems like the story they want to tell is failing to cross the culture gap this time, and I believe that the jump to super-detailed, fully animated and voice-acted characters is one of the main culprits. We're seeing the characters as their creators intended them this time, whereas the older games like FFVIII told their stories with text and mostly-static character models, leaving our imaginations to fill in the gaps. If FFVIII was re-released today with FFXIII's visual fidelity and voice acting, I'm not sure I'd relate to Squall or his story half as much.



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16 May 2010, 1:51 pm

BeauZa wrote:
Emo_Warlock wrote:
You guys feel empathy for Squall? Hmm, that very interesting to hear [so to speak] because I'm so cold and can't feel nothing except for a few emotions. For the whole love Squall thing my opinion is that I don't like him or any other hero in the Final Fantasy series or any hero for that matter. I prefer characters like Sephiroth who don't have weaknesses like romance (it really is becoming annoying, I mean there are so few pieces of movie magic [or game magic in this case] where they lack the heavy burden of boring me with love :roll: if you could actually call it that) or lack of ambition [not to mention he is cold like me] [I didn't even feel anything when Sephy murdered Aerith] But the good guys always have to win. :roll:

Because if the protagonists lost now where would the satisfaction come from if your heroes were defeated and there was no happy ending. :roll:

P.S. Quite a bit off topic, sort of; Hmm...I think the credit for Aeriths death actually goes to Mother in the guise of Sephy. People never really give her any credit for various things like being partially the reason why Sephiroth goes on a rampage or what not.


What an interesting lad! I trust that you will leave quite an impression on other people. ;)
So do you just side with the baddies in every game? How does it make you feel when you beat Cloud of Darkness, Zeromus, Sephiroth, Edea, Kuja, etc., and win the game? (Sorry for all the examples... I just LOVE Final Fantasy!)


Yeah I side with almost all baddies. When I beat the bad guys and win the game it usually just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.



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16 May 2010, 11:56 pm

Emo_Warlock wrote:
Yeah I side with almost all baddies. When I beat the bad guys and win the game it usually just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.


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17 May 2010, 1:14 pm

Leander wrote:
I don't think he's supposed to have Aspergers at all, though. His personality is an archetype that appears a lot in Japanese games, anime, etc, and with all his "Whatever"s I think he's just meant to be someone angsty Japanese teens can relate to.


Well, Japan does have quite a few Asperger-friendly games like Pokémon and Dragon Quest, and they are loved there. I would not be surprised if a lot of Japanese people had AS or some of its traits.

And there are a lot of teens this side of the ocean who would resemble angsty characters, I do not think that is something that only happens in Japan.

And BeauZa, I love Zell, too. I like how he can do whatever he wants even if people think he is weird or comes out of a comic book. I would know about that because when I was at school all my friends would tell me it seemed I was always posing as a superhero, hahahaha.



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18 May 2010, 1:24 am

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And BeauZa, I love Zell, too. I like how he can do whatever he wants even if people think he is weird or comes out of a comic book. I would know about that because when I was at school all my friends would tell me it seemed I was always posing as a superhero, hahahaha.[/color]


I know! He is brilliant. I've come to enjoy watching him punch the air and everything... and I just laughed when he got to the end of the cafeteria line and they ran out of hot dogs. He just broke down...


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18 May 2010, 11:01 am

Aspie-like he might seem, Squall still has some of the best lines in the game.


"Are we going there to tell everyone they're violating curfew?"



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20 May 2010, 12:52 am

Fehndrix wrote:
Aspie-like he might seem, Squall still has some of the best lines in the game.


"Are we going there to tell everyone they're violating curfew?"


And the millions of facepalms that Squall does throughout the story? Squall must've been the man to popularize such an action!


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