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27 Jul 2010, 11:07 pm

What I'm looking for is a system that is will play all the games out now at, or near, max settings, but I also want to be able to add to the system to keep my upgrade costs low. I was thinking about going with the following. Can someone tell me if the spec is good, and price is right?

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-960 3.20 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1366
FAN: Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA)
MOTHERBOARD: (3-Way SLI Support) Asus P6X58D-E Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Mainboard Triple-Channel DDR3/1600 SATA-III RAID w/ 7.1Audio,GbLAN,IEEE1394a,USB3.0,SATA-III RAID,3 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X1 & 2 PCI
MEMORY: 6GB (2GBx3) DDR3/1333MHz Triple Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
VIDEO1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
VIDEO2: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
HDD: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)
POWERSUPPLY: 800 Watts - XtremeGear Gaming Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready
CD: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
CASE: Thermaltake V3 Black Mid-Tower Case
MULTIVIEW: Non-SLI/Non-CrossFireX Mode Supports Multiple Monitors
NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
OVERCLOCK: No Overclocking
WNC: PCI Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Interface Card
OS: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Ultimate (64-bit Edition)
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
KEYBOARD: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
MOUSE: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
RUSH: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS

Price: $1,929.00


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28 Jul 2010, 1:35 pm

Sounds like a spiffy setup to me!



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28 Jul 2010, 3:03 pm

When it comes to games the i7 has no major advantage of the Phenom II. This way you can save a huge amount of your cash.

If you want an Nvidia graphics card, you might want to ensure the board is SLI capable and not just 2x PCI-E slots. Same with ATI cards. You can start with one and add another cheaply for a nice upgrade



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28 Jul 2010, 6:35 pm

That looks like total overkill to me. I've never encountered a game that wouldn't run smoothly at max settings on my Core 2 duo 8500 and single GTX 260 card (yes, that includes Crysis.) A Core i5 (not i7) and ONE gtx 460 card would be more than enough for every game in the next few years. After that you could always buy a second 460 at a discount. But hey, if you've got the cash to splurge, and you want the best system money can buy, those specs would qualify.



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28 Jul 2010, 7:44 pm

Whether that's overkill depends on the resolution the op plays at. I don't think a single 460 can handle even today's game at 2560x1440 with everything maxed out, not to mention multi-monitors setup. So, if that's what the op after, then why not.

Just some general observations:
1. Asetek 510LC
with this kind of setup, the video card(s) produced far more heat than the CPU, you may want to consider water cooling your PSU in addition to/instead of the CPU
2. 800 Watts - XtremeGear Gaming Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready
I will personally go for Seasonic or Enermax. Corsair and Antec are also good brands.
3. 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
since expense doesn't seem to be a major concern, you may want to consider a SSD as the boot drive in addition to the HDD
4. GTX 460
I'm not a fan of nvidia's fermi. Even though GF104 is a lot more balanced, I think it's too little too late. AMD's Southern Island is already around the corner, why not wait and see.



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28 Jul 2010, 8:35 pm

True, I didn't factor in resolution. My monitor is 1440x900 so not as taxing on the system as 2560x1440 would be. Still I doubt the difference would be THAT dramatic. I mean, *2* 460s compared to the single 260 in my system that runs all modern games maxed out? (Note that's 260 not 460.) And why would you water-cool a system you aren't overclocking?



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28 Jul 2010, 10:41 pm

kxmode wrote:

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-960 3.20 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1366 OVERPOWERED, Phenom X3 = better deal
FAN: Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System Do you really need water cooling?
MOTHERBOARD: Asus P6X58D-E Intel X58 Overkill again, last I checked DDR2 was way cheaper and dual graphics were good enough
MEMORY: 6GB (2GBx3) DDR3/1333MHz Triple Channel Memory Why do you need 6GB?
VIDEO1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card Good choices, this is where most of your money should be in a gaming PC
VIDEO2: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card
HDD: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive) Multiple 320gb hard drives were a better deal last I checked
POWERSUPPLY: 800 Watts - XtremeGear Gaming Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready
CD: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
CASE: Thermaltake V3 Black Mid-Tower Case Personal choice, I personally would get a Rosewill Destroyer or something similar
NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
OVERCLOCK: No Overclocking Why not? Though I'd rather do it myself than have it sold to me
WNC: PCI Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Interface Card
OS: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Ultimate (64-bit Edition)
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO if it isn't Creative it's trash and even then I have my gripes with Creative
USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
KEYBOARD: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
MOUSE: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse


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29 Jul 2010, 10:22 am

Thanks for the feedback everyone! :)

To clarify that first list was from cyberpowerpc.com. My biggest concern with them, besides the pricing, is their lack of brand names in their configurator. I did some pricing at newegg and put together what I think is a less expensive system with rated 4-5 star components.

CPU: $289.99 Intel Core i7-930 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
VIDEO1: $324.99 EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 012-P3-1470-AR Video Card
MEMORY: $144.99 G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ
MOTHERBOARD: $239.99 ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
HDD: $94.99 Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
CASE: $39.99 Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm
CD: $23.99 ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
POWER SUPPLY: $129.99 CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
WIFI: $36.85 Linksys WMP54G 32bit PCI2.2 Wireless-G Adapter
OS: $139.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders

Sub Total: $1,465.76
Tax: $120.93
Shipping: $15.80
Grand Total: $1,602.49

With regards the motherboard. The reason I chose has to do with these reasons:

• 6-Core CPU Support Ready
• True USB 3.0
• True SATA 6Gb/s RAID Support
• True 16+2 Phase Power Design
• 3-Way SLI & Quad-GPU support (yes, 3-way SLI)... I'm only buying a single video card, but I wanted to ensure there's room for growth
• TurboV - New OC Records with Real - Time Super-precise Tunings

Basically I'm looking to create a system that I can upgraded with minimal costs over the long term.

Feel free to make any corrections to my list.

Also, the last time I owned an AMD system was in the mid-90s; I believe it was during the Athlon days. My understanding is that you can't buy AMD motherboards with nVidia support, but I don't know much about AMD these days and wouldn't even know where to begin with them. I also don't know much about ATI (the video card of choice it seems for AMD). I've always been a nVidia person (3Dfx -> nVidia). The main reason I switched back to Intel was the processor had issues running Photoshop and other apps. Don't get me wrong, it ran games great! But the moment I switched over to Photoshop or Flash everything went to hell. I think this created a huge personal taboo on AMD. I don't know if their processors have improved application handling today, and to be honest I haven't bothered to research. What's your personal experience with AMDs and applications? And do you have any suggestions for a kickass AMD build?


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29 Jul 2010, 10:54 am

AMD has done fine for me after I applied the multi-core fix or whatever you want to call it. Asus has 3+ SLI motherboards for AMD on Newegg. Also, I don't know why you went up to the GTX 470. For $75 more you could have 2 460s as previously planned. 2 460s are faster than a single 480. You still are wasting a ridiculous amount on memory. An Athlon II X3 440 (3.0GHZ) costs $77 which saves you over $200 over your Intel.


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29 Jul 2010, 2:06 pm

Found an AMD motherboard that supports NVIDIA. What do you think?

CPU: $295.99 AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT90ZFBGRBOX
VIDEO1: $249.99 EVGA 01G-P3-1373-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
MEMORY: $99.99 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
MOTHERBOARD: $139.99 ASUS M4N98TD EVO AM3 NVIDIA nForce 980a SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
HDD: $89.99 Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
CASE: $39.99 Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, option Fans-2x Side 120mm Fan
CD: $23.99 ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
POWER SUPPLY: $76.99 KINGWIN ABT-730MM 730W ATX 12V Ver.2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
WIFI: $36.85 Linksys WMP54G 32bit PCI2.2 Wireless-G Adapter
OS: $139.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders

Subtotal: $1,193.76
Tax: $98.49
Shipping: $13.85
Grand Total: $1,306.10


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29 Jul 2010, 8:32 pm

scubasteve wrote:
Still I doubt the difference would be THAT dramatic. I mean, *2* 460s compared to the single 260 in my system that runs all modern games maxed out? (Note that's 260 not 460.)

2560x1440 has 3.16x more pixels than 1440x900. Even assuming linear scaling, your game will still run at <1/3 the speed at the higher resolution. And then 260 is only DX10 while 460 is DX11. Depending on how the game make use of the API, it can be slightly faster to 2x slower. So in the bad case, the 460 has to be twice as powerful as its DX10 sibling just to maintain the same fps. There has been quite a lot of review of the 460 already. If you look around you'll see that at that resolution even without AA, games like "Aliens vs Predator" is already running at <20fps with a single 460. So 2x460 is really the minimum for that kind of resolution.

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And why would you water-cool a system you aren't overclocking?

To reduce noise usually.



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29 Jul 2010, 8:36 pm

AMD and ATI are the same company, so AMD boards generally have better ATI crossfire support, but the opposite is not necessarily true - NVIDIA SLI is generally supported well on both platforms since NVIDIA makes their own chipsets. That being said, I think the i5 line provides more bang for the buck than comparable Phenom IIs, and if money is no object the i7 is still the fastest desktop processor available.



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29 Jul 2010, 8:41 pm

CloudWalker wrote:
2560x1440 has 3.16x more pixels than 1440x900. Even assuming linear scaling, your game will still run at <1/3 the speed at the higher resolution. And then 260 is only DX10 while 460 is DX11.


That's a bit like saying a 64-bit processor should be twice as fast as 32-bit. These things really aren't proportional. Triple the pixels requires more processing power, but not nearly 3x as much. And DX11 doesn't really add much to games imo, it's just an excuse to sell new video cards.



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29 Jul 2010, 8:43 pm

kxmode wrote:
MOTHERBOARD: $139.99 ASUS M4N98TD EVO AM3 NVIDIA nForce 980a SLI ATX AMD Motherboard

Personally, I have a pretty low opinion of nvidia's chipset. It's unfortunate that there's basically no sli enabled mb with AMD chipset. So if you really want sli, I will suggest you to stick with intel. Especially at the price range you are looking at, AMD aren't that attractive.

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POWER SUPPLY: $76.99 KINGWIN ABT-730MM 730W ATX 12V Ver.2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply

What is the $ difference between it and Corsair 750TX? If it's not much I'd rather go for Corsair. Beaware that 2x GT460 draw ~500W. Figure in the power efficiency and 700W PSU doesn't have much headroom left.

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WIFI: $36.85 Linksys WMP54G 32bit PCI2.2 Wireless-G Adapter

Is there any particular reason to choose g instead of n?

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Also, I don't know why you went up to the GTX 470. For $75 more you could have 2 460s as previously planned. 2 460s are faster than a single 480. You still are wasting a ridiculous amount on memory.

Totally agree. Unless you use it for compute, there's no reason to choose the 470.



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29 Jul 2010, 8:51 pm

scubasteve wrote:
That's a bit like saying a 64-bit processor should be twice as fast as 32-bit. These things really aren't proportional. Triple the pixels requires more processing power, but not nearly 3x as much.

Sorry, I don't follow your logic. When a dataset is doubled in size, it usually takes much more than double the amount of time to process. So by assuming linear scaling, I'm actually presenting the best case scenario with the least slow down. In fact your example work the opposite way. Just like 64-bit CPU aren't twice as fast as 32-bit one, a GPU with twice the power won't give you twice the fps.

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And DX11 doesn't really add much to games imo, it's just an excuse to sell new video cards.

True, but that doesn't mean it won't slow your game down. By definition everything at max includes using DX11.



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29 Jul 2010, 9:21 pm

That might be true with voxel rendering, but GPUs process scenes triangle by triangle, not pixel by pixel. The complexity of geometry, textures and lighting in a scene is a bigger factor in speed than pixel definition.