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14 Aug 2010, 12:27 am

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/health/fl-a ... full.story


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14 Aug 2010, 12:46 am

is this applying to aspie kids or those with severe autism



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14 Aug 2010, 12:56 am

I think that a blanket policy of treating all boys with autism with the drug is deeply wrong. Most teenaged boys have a strong interest in sex.

While the drug might be the right thing for the occasional autistic (or NT) boy exists who is a sexual offender, the blanket use of it on all children (and young people) who have autism is deeply wrong. I think it is a form of abuse, while I am about to run into Godwin's lawbut I think that some of these doctors (or quacks) who propose treating autism with chelation and now the chemical castration drug should take a long look at themselves through the lens of the "Nuremberg code" and should consider at length the "Do no harm" part of their Hippocratic Oath. What they are doing is a nasty experiment.

Perhapes what we need is our own version of the doctors trial which occured at Nuremberg. I am sure that the dock will be rather full.


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14 Aug 2010, 1:36 am

Teenage boys are supposed to have high testosterone levels. If an autstic kid is high enough functioning to understand sex than they are high enough functioning to respond to behavior modification therapy. If their testosterone level is abnormally high, then I'm sure there must be some way to lower it a LITTLE.


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14 Aug 2010, 1:42 am

And here was me thinking that most of the autistics were a-sexual.


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14 Aug 2010, 1:48 am

The real problem is that most parents of teens with developmental disabilities don't want to address sexuality or how to act appropriately around the opposite sex.


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14 Aug 2010, 1:49 am

Loborojo wrote:
And here was me thinking that most of the autistics were a-sexual.


Not most of us, just a higher percentage of us than neurotypicals.


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14 Aug 2010, 2:05 am

Sex has always been a problem in the Anglo-Saxon cultures...bigoted balck frock mentality which they are re-exporting back to Europe...


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14 Aug 2010, 5:07 am

I have looked up the chemical details of Lupron, it is a small protein which has some exotic amino acids in it. While it might bind loosely to mercury, I do not think it is likely to be able to win mercury away from the sulphur containing proteins in a uman. This idea of Lupron or testosterone binding to mercury is plain stupid IMHO as a chemist.

While almost anything can bind to mercury, it is unlikely that testosterone has a very high ability to bind to mercury. The concentration of testosterone in even a super vitrile man is very low, so I do not think it will alter the mercury chemistry.


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14 Aug 2010, 5:39 am

WTF?? Teen boys have that testosterone for a REASON.


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14 Aug 2010, 8:28 am

Woodpecker wrote:
I think that a blanket policy of treating all boys with autism with the drug is deeply wrong. Most teenaged boys have a strong interest in sex.

While the drug might be the right thing for the occasional autistic (or NT) boy exists who is a sexual offender, the blanket use of it on all children (and young people) who have autism is deeply wrong. I think it is a form of abuse, while I am about to run into Godwin's


As far as I'm aware Godwin's Law only applies when trivial things are compared to the Nazi regime

For example comparing the former apartheid regime in South Africa to Nazi Germany would not fall under Godwin


On the other hand something trivial like a twit comparing the mods of a forum they've been banned on to Nazis would be Godwin's law



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14 Aug 2010, 9:02 am

On top of what everyone else said, the article said something about not giving it to people with seizures... autistic people HAVE SEIZURES! What if it causes autistic kids w/o seizures to develop them, ever think of that?! Plus, their is a simple way to deal with this... parents need to talk about sex, thoroughly define public vs. private behaviors (when/where to masturbate) & simply encourage PRIVATE masturbation over the more inappropriate behaviors. I make prudish people feel REALLY AWKWARD :wink:.


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14 Aug 2010, 9:21 am

Demonique wrote:
Woodpecker wrote:
I think that a blanket policy of treating all boys with autism with the drug is deeply wrong. Most teenaged boys have a strong interest in sex.

While the drug might be the right thing for the occasional autistic (or NT) boy exists who is a sexual offender, the blanket use of it on all children (and young people) who have autism is deeply wrong. I think it is a form of abuse, while I am about to run into Godwin's


As far as I'm aware Godwin's Law only applies when trivial things are compared to the Nazi regime

For example comparing the former apartheid regime in South Africa to Nazi Germany would not fall under Godwin


On the other hand something trivial like a twit comparing the mods of a forum they've been banned on to Nazis would be Godwin's law


Unless its the mods on forums like StormFront...?


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14 Aug 2010, 12:40 pm

John_Browning wrote:
The real problem is that most parents of teens with developmental disabilities don't want to address sexuality or how to act appropriately around the opposite sex.


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14 Aug 2010, 1:35 pm

John_Browning wrote:
The real problem is that most parents of teens with developmental disabilities don't want to address sexuality or how to act appropriately around the opposite sex.


And the attitude that people with developmental disabilities shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Not to mention the lure of a quick fix cure when the alternative is months if not years of behavioural therapy.



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14 Aug 2010, 3:33 pm

I hope it's only a small minority of parents that turn to this... if the best reason cited by her in the article is "people don't grasp the harsh realities of raising an autistic child" to the worst reasons (heart disease, diabetes, etc) it's like using an unclean needle. And if testosterone was the biggest problem here, why not change a diet around or something less drastic and dangerous first?