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18 May 2006, 11:37 pm

1. If someone does not believe as you do, or more broadly the same kinds of things. Are they considered inferior somehow?

2. Collectively, sociologically there is the similarity of supernatural beliefs amongst differing belief systems. Do you and others fear the continued disillusionment of people concerning not consciously actualizing that reality?

3. If someone does not or cannot believe in a supernatural such as a god, what are they considered by you and or your belief?



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19 May 2006, 1:06 am

1. No. They are considered to be someone to exchange information and experiences with and respected as any part of the the Source should be.
2. If I even understood the question, yes. People ought to heed their personal spiritual need.
3. Someone who, for various reasons that you are encouraged to share, have chosen to wander a certain path.



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19 May 2006, 1:23 am

Some organized systems of belief have iin it's ideopathology remarks concerning non-believers. If a belief system evolves emotionaly socially, I think it instead of rejects non-believers but endeavors to accept them. Some believers fear non-belief in others, to where they alienate themselves or others, yet as to how commonly not sure.

With alienation, as I recall as a subject once, some believers feel themselves to be alien to society. The feeling of being alienated is fear of social rejection due to social-psychological differences of reality. The disinullusionment of others, or rather lack of origination of belief during development as a social conditioning early on make for psychological differences in how one related to reality becuase of socially supported belief. It is environmental and how reality is percieved, environmental in some ways in how the environment associates with belief.

Belief is much like a mind-atmosphere or a containment of infixed (or ingrained) councious reality perceptual differences depending on how complex and how they manifest individually.



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19 May 2006, 1:38 am

Well re-thinking this one.

"The feeling of being alienated is fear of social rejection due to social-psychological differences of reality."

It's circumstancial, not clearly deducted on any average.



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13 Jun 2006, 3:29 pm

1. No, If they believe differently, They could be just as right as I think I am.(If that makes sense...) I think of myself as a sort of very sepecialized christianinty, so the second holds true.

2. If I understood the question...

3. A bit weird, because there is a lot of supernatural stuff that happens, and that hasn't been explained.



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13 Jun 2006, 3:52 pm

One Love, one life, when it's one need in the night. (for example: Africa, Aids, etc.)
One Love, we get to share it,
leaves you baby if you don't care for it. One Love.

(Religion)

Did I disappoint you? Leave a bad taste in your mouth?

(Others)
You act like you never had love, now you want me to go without.

Well it's too late tonight, to drag the past out into the light.
We're one, but we're not the same.
We get to carry each other, carry each other, ONE.

Have you come here for forgiveness?
Have you come to raise the dead? Have you come here to play Jesus, to the leapers in your head?
Did I ask too much, more than alot
You gave me nothing now it's all I've got.
We're one but we're not the same
We hurt each other and we do it again.

You say Love is a temple, Love a higher law,
Love is a temple, Love the higher law.
You ask me to enter, but then you make me crawl
And I can't be holding on to what you got, when all you got is hurt.

One Love, One Blood, One life, you've got to do what you should.
One life, with each other: sisters, brothers.
One life, but we're not the same.
We get to carry each other, carry each other. One....One.......

LOVE!



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13 Jun 2006, 4:25 pm

sc wrote:
1. If someone does not believe as you do, or more broadly the same kinds of things. Are they considered inferior somehow?

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In perfect love we are all made perfect. If someone does not believe as I do, I listen to them, I talk to others, I read, I pray & then I decide for myself if I want to accept that belief as my own or if I want to accept it as their belief & not my own. Notice the word accept. I do think there are people in all religions who think if you don't do it their way you are wrong - but I think that is just a self protective state for that person & I don't think this applies soley to religious people - maybe this is just a human trait. I think real love allows people to be who they are, make mistakes, as long as they keep trying, keep seeking, searching for truth. Arete is an ancient Greek word for "the perfect man, strong physically, spiritually, & mentally." You achieve this state by trying, but once you think you have reached perfection - you die in huberis. Basically meaning: it's the journey, not the beginning or end that is life bringing.

2. Collectively, sociologically there is the similarity of supernatural beliefs amongst differing belief systems. Do you and others fear the continued disillusionment of people concerning not consciously actualizing that reality?

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In Christianity, we call this the Holy Spirit. I experience this "6th sence" if you will, on about a weekly basis. It is a Spirit that comforts me, guides me, & let's me know there is something more than just 3 demensions. I have also experienced evil, & I think we all have - you know when your walking somewhere & the hair on the back of your neck stands up & your scared but you don't know why. I'm not sure you can consciously actualize this reality. I think the Holy Spirit is a gift - I don't get to pick when I experience it. So I guess I don't fear the continued disillusionment because I know people will continue to experience these "feelings" they can't explain - and can't forget.

3. If someone does not or cannot believe in a supernatural such as a god, what are they considered by you and or your belief?


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I do not have the ability to convince someone of supernatural things, as I am not supernatural. I think when God chooses, or evil chooses to reveal itself to anyone - that has nothing to do with me. There are dry times for me - when I do not feel anything - so I would just think someone who has not experienced anything, has just not experienced anything. I don't have any control over when a supernatural thing is going to reveal itself to me. I think if they want to experience something - they need to ask the supernatural thing of their choice to reveal itself to them - give them a neon sign. This is probably one reason I like this site - not many people have the same experiences as me - and I find it fascinating to see how other people think.

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P.S. I LOVE THE PREVIOUS POST!! !! !! ONE>>>>>

Also - I still don't know how to use the quote thing very well - sorry sc



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13 Jun 2006, 9:16 pm

I recall once in school, a private Christian one. Everyone or most singing a song that had the lyrics "lord we lift your name up high". In other settings such as a church there was said to be the spirit of God or the great spirit present.

I could do no better then think and think and think about these such things. After-all, in how someone believes they would say that god made me that way. The school did not have entirely Christians in it, in fact one friend I had there, who likely has A.S was an atheist, his family is Christian, likely his rebelliousness towards family. He is by the way now in Iraq or perhaps not anymore.

I understand this as belief conditioning where the supernatural belief is combined with this reality. I theorize that the supernatural belief is a construct of thought types shared and that the manifestation of the supernatural is by feeling and a conscious sharing of similarities in teaching as well as cultural. The manifestations are purely the result of conditionings of that presumptive reality.

Shared experiences are the result of the triggering of shared conditionings, no more.



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13 Jun 2006, 11:30 pm

I guess if you have not felt it - there is no way you can understand. If I had not felt it, I would not understand. I know what you are talking about with the singing and how that can create a "feeling". And yes, I think that is why they call those leaders "worship leaders". Sometimes I like to experience that - but if I had to sing those kind of songs all the time I think I would become bored.

The supernatural experiences I hold dear, have been when no one was present. None of these encounters happened during a worship service, they just happened in real life, many times while driving in the open spaces of West Texas.

But I do agree that God made you the way you are & I believe He will reveal Himself to you in a totally different way than me. I think you will find Him in a very logical way in your own time, your own way.

I also think it's ok for you to doubt. Doubting is honest. I think that in truly doubting, you are able to find the ultimate truth. If you just believed everything you heard without questioning it - that would be setting yourself up for violation - or worse for you, brainwashing!

You seem to be a thinker, very logical by nature. That is such a great gift, I wish I had that, but instead I'm a feeler. If you tried to prove God's existance or non-existance - it would never work on me - I would just drift off anyway because thinkers use a totally different vocabulary. So I'm probably not the best to try and tell a thinker a logical way to experience God. You might read some Ph.d's on Christian Apologetics & I think you would definately get more out of it. Bultmond(sp?) is a German theologian who is suppossed to be really smart & good, also Netche (Sp?).

Not speaking for all Christian's, just me.

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