Satan is fighting for what is right against a tyrant (God)

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The traditional story of the Bible goes like this:

God was creating a world, but then the horrible devil comes along and messes everything up by giving man knowledge. Satan did this out of his sense of pride that he was better than God, and so he fell into everlasting rebellion and an eternity of misery due to his pride.

The problems with this story are the following:
1) Satan has to literally be an idiot to think he is better than God. I mean, seriously, a being defined as omnipotent is more competent than any other being.
2) Satan has to literally be an idiot to think that he can win a conflict with God. I mean, seriously, a being defined as omnipotent can win by default.
3) Even if we assume uber-pride, it takes A *LOT* of pride to become so idiotic. Certainly any mildly competent ruler would be smart enough to correct this.
4) God is often attributed as losing ONE THIRD of his angelic host in this rebellion. Now, seriously, one bad apple might even be plausible, but an entire rebellion by 1 out of 3 angels, all of whom know the facts in 1 and 2?

Now, let's just assume that 1 and 2 are right. Well, the issue is then, why would so many angels rebel? And, well... let's just look at what kinds of things this God does:
* He destroyed nearly all life on the earth once.
* He's utterly destroyed entire cities.
* He's called for people to kill everyone and everything within cities
* He's openly announced that those who disagree with him sent to suffer for eternity.(note: those who disagree with him are said by some to be nearly everyone living on the planet now and who existed in the past)
* He's ordered a man to kill his own son
* He's organized a plan that involves the suffering of billions of people, including torture both physical and psychological.
* His worldly organization(s) are responsible for murder, torture, child molestation and evasion of the law, suppression of knowledge, war, forced conversion, and so many other flaws, DESPITE(or perhaps because of) his claim to direct oversight.

I mean, this sounds like a terrible and petty tyrant. And well, we have the devil and this third of the heavenly host fighting back. They're freedom fighters. They gave man knowledge. They fight back against impossible odds, even though any rationally self-interested being would not take their place, so they can't be fighting for their own interests.

I mean, it is clear that if the Bible is to make any sense, it is not a "love note from God", but a propaganda piece by a tyrant against the crusaders for what is right. So, while it is fiction, the fact of the matter is that the fiction can't be what you think it is.

Yeah I get what you say. It sounds like a story where god was able to name a scapegoat (the devil) for all the ruthless things he does in the old testament. And yeah the devil could be on humanities side. The devil wants to educate us whereas god wants us to remain stupid and subordinate.

I like your take on this but I don't believe any of the bible.

Satan is more a personification of the more selfish and destructive aspects of humans. You're right, though, that the Old Testament Yahweh doesn't seem like a much better alternative.

Neither do I, but interpreting religious fiction is interesting.

You assume it is fiction.

I would say a large amount is fiction (Genesis anyone?). Some percentage is an interpretted account of real events (the brutal wars etc), and the rest is text that is meant to condition the reader.

Satan is fighting for what is right against a tyrant (God) - So Satan is just being misunderstood a little here and there and given a bad rap by God's news media? There are a number of movies made about Jesus Christ which carry a somewhat similar message, that is, maybe Judas was misunderstood a little here and there and really only wanted Jesus jailed overnight/whatever, not killed by the Jerusalem politicians. This view of Judas (as being misunderstood) stands against how Judas is portrayed by the Christian news media.

Apparently both Judaism and Christianity want Satan and Judas to be portrayed as persons with no socially redeeming values at all. The message is clearly:

Love God, hate Satan (black and white world of religious storytelling).
Love Christ, hate Judas (black and white world of religious storytelling).

Yeah I think so too. What is your take on the great flood then? To me that has got to be some local flood that ruined some tribe somewhere and the survivors spread their story and it became embellished etc. I heard that the black sea only filled up about 10,000 years ago and that before then the whole area was full of Turkish farmers.

Since God is portrayed as omniscient the rebellion must have been part of his plan, In fact all of the so-called mistakes which resulted in mass massacre, all of the misfortunes, the death of Christ, the floods and plagues and wars etc. can only be the plan of a God who is aware of outcomes from the creation of the universe to eternity. It's all part of the plan. Of course the plan, to us humans, seems something devised by a cruel maniac. But why should humans be able to discern the mind of God?

You assume the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a joke...

This, I mean how are you gonna criticizes someone who is supposed to be omnipotent and omnipresent? I mean what do we know about creating worlds?

Also just because a worldly organization claims to be directly under god doesn't make it so. This point's pretty much irrelevant though because he would arguably ultimately be responsible for it anyways.

I think the Devil and his organisations have successfully seperated you from your maker.

Lets examine just one of your arguments as its late and I have work tommorrow, and maybe it will show you that all your accusations have a differant answer, if you care to look for them.

"His wordly organisations"
Apart from the 12 tribes of Israel, the last tribe of which he divorced in 70AD when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and wiped out the Jews, can you list these organisations of his please.

And think about your answers, if for instance you say, "The Catholic church", I will relate the history of the Catholic Church, how God didnt start it up, but a Roman emporer called Constantine, and who was a worshipper of the Sun, united all the pagan religions of Rome with the new Christian religion, and started the Catholic religion, how he hid the words of the Bible by only allowing it in Latin, so that people wouldnt find out for themselves that the Catholic church identifies itself by its actions and teachings as a Satanicly inspired religion, most successfull in blaspheming against God.

In case you dont follow what Iam trying to say, heres an example, If I start a religion where I sacrifice babies by burning them alive in front of a statue that I claim is of Jesus, whilst I read a scripture from the Bible that says, "suffer the little children", would this religion be one of his "worldly organisations", or would it be an evil religion I started to help people hate God?

If you read the Bible, you will find where Jesus, talking about most of his "followers" says, "get away from me, you workers of lawlessness, I never knew you".

Actually, I think we can be pretty certain that there are significant portions that are fictitious. Many numbers do not make sense. Many events that would have corroboration if true do not have this. Some things just... disagree with our historical knowledge, etc.

It probably does have to be some local flood or something else like that.

OK, that's it. I'm becoming a satanist.

They found documentation that the Euphrates river flooded, and a lot of people were killed, but one guy managed to hijack a boat with a bunch of farm animals on it.