Autism Abortion

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I keep telling people a wealthy society who can afford to check their children for autism before birth and does away with them they will be surpassed by the poorer nations who can not afford to test their children before birth. The less wealthy nation with all its autistics will become the leaders in science, engineering, and the arts while the wealthy nation without the autistic people will drown in apathy. :twisted:

Diversity is something that kind of seems superficial and I really want to test to see [whether society] really means it.

People kill their unborn kids because they have autism?
What is this world coming to!?

I keep telling people a wealthy society who can afford to check their children for autism before birth and does away with them they will be surpassed by the poorer nations who can not afford to test their children before birth. The less wealthy nation with all its autistics will become the leaders in science, engineering, and the arts while the wealthy nation without the autistic people will drown in apathy.

Yes but the real Nazi's died a long time ago.

I keep telling people a wealthy society who can afford to check their children for autism before birth and does away with them they will be surpassed by the poorer nations who can not afford to test their children before birth. The less wealthy nation with all its autistics will become the leaders in science, engineering, and the arts while the wealthy nation without the autistic people will drown in apathy.

People who share similar beliefs to them - i.e., that certain groups shouldn't be allowed into the world - are still alive and well.

I agree with this.

If we lose autistic people, we lose talent. Many well known people, from entrepreneurs to scientists, have at least notable autistic traits.

Who do you think made all the software you're using to read this post now? If you're using Firefox, you're using software created by a community who choose to donate their free time to making it for fun, and I don't know about you, but I don't think there are many NTs who would do that.

Same with all the circuits, chips, screens, cameras... Any technology, any software. A large percentage of it is down to people on the spectrum. If you want to lose technical process, then go ahead and abort away. Be a Nazi. Promote eugenics. Autistic people aren't perfect and they shouldn't be allowed into the world. But you'll pay the price for your bigotry, you can count on that.

Wanting to have an abortion yourself is not the same as believing autistic people shouldn't be "allowed in the world" full stop. People aren't gonna be forced to abort just because it's autistic.

Comparing this to the systematic murder or the Jews (and others) is incredibly insulting to the people who did suffer at the hands of the nazis

In part, I agree with you. The Holocaust was a unique horror. However, the very people in America who were praising the Nazis for what they intended to do, and encouraging them (including individuals associated with the Carnegie Institute), realised when the war was over and the public expressed shock and horror at the tactics used, that they would have to change tactics. So they shifted their emphasis to reducing the "unfit" through abortion. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, said "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." She was a prominent eugenicist, who wanted "to create a race of thoroughbreds". She was even a featured speaker for the Ku Klux Klan.

She outlined some of her plans for the "Negro Project" in a letter to Dr. Clarence J. Gamble (who funded North Carolina's Eugenic Board): "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. The minister’s work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation [of Eugenicists] as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

More recently, in 1958, the Director of the American Eugenics Society was invited to speak at a Planned Parenthood luncheon. Alan Guttmacher, who went from being Vice President of the American Eugenics Society to serve as the president of Planned Parenthood from 1962-1974, spoke to a Planned Parenthood gathering, saying, "The mentally ret*d and the mentally defective . . . insidiously are replacing the people of normal mentality." Today, the International Planned Parenthood Federation approves of the forced abortion practiced in China.

So, however effective their propaganda has been and how much they've managed to obscure it for most people today, there is a direct link between the Nazis and abortion. World War Two and the Holocaust have been special interests of mine since I was young. I've been a professional genealogist, who was horrified to discover the link between genealogy and the Nazis (they used genealogical records to hunt down Jews) and also the modern link between genealogy and eugenics. I take the whole topic very seriously, and I wouldn't mention such a link unless there was extensive, if well obscured, evidence of its existence. They couldn't get what they wanted by rounding us up and destroying us in camps, so they turned to other solutions. They spent a fortune on public relations, on propaganda, and on confusing the issue for many people. And today, they have been so successful, one of the people they wanted to "cleanse" the world of can sincerely defend their efforts. Crying or Very sad

I do agree with you that abortion is not the same as what was done in the camps. But scientific evidence does show, unquestionably, that an aborted fetus does suffer, often horribly. Some live for several hours after the abortion has been performed. So it is not as clean and painless as modern society would like to think, and even if it were, it is also certainly significant that the campaign which led to its being so widely accepted was deliberately planned and carried out specifically to finish what was started in those camps. For that matter, the numbers tattooed on the arms of Holocaust victims were essentially IBM punch card numbers (although the name of IBM's subsidiary in Nazi Germany was Hollerith) - and IBM is still involved in projects to catalogue and classify the human genome so that "undesirable" traits may be eliminated. Of course, they also obscure these truths. But the links between the Nazis and what is done today are complex, deep, and strong.